Topic: Oil Pump Lube

Hiya All,

So.............I just pulled the oil pump off a newly professionally rebuilt engine (0 miles - brand new).  I was a little surprised to find what looked like petroleum jelly (don't know if it actually is or not and that leads to my question later) inside the pump.  Must have been a tablespoon of the stuff in the gearing.

I'm used to assembly lube and that's what I expected to find in the pump.  My question is this.............this clear jelly like stuff, is it some sort of assembly lube I don't know about?  Has anybody heard of stuffing the oil pump full of petroleum jelly for assembly?

There is absolutely no question that this was intentional and not an oversight.  This builder has a national reputation for thoroughness and an excellent product.

Mike

1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck

Re: Oil Pump Lube

Bookwus wrote:

Hiya All,
There is absolutely no question that this was intentional and not an oversight.  This builder has a national reputation for thoroughness and an excellent product.

So what's your problem? wink
  And  why did you pull off the pump anyway?
  burrhead

burrhead

A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion.

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Nah !!! Ive never heard of it ? Not too say it's not so ? But Jelly ?? No  Break in lube I use come's out in the first oil change you can see it mixed in the oil with the cam lube !
If I had to guess here ?? I would say it's Cosmoline ?? or an additive some one added to the motor !! Water can cause this ?? Turn's white with water ! Probably 19.95 Engine Rebuild in a bottle ??
  Wouldnt want jelly too take off thru an oil port ! Drop releif valves ! turn car over neer , neer , neer goood bunch of time's , with the clean pump re installed .
  Who want's a Puppy I gott Puppy's ! 7 of them !
  Blue Rott'N'Pitt's Pupp's ?? LMAO
   Non stop Dramma around here ?????
                                               Sean

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Mike: I've heard of this, and even Tom Wilson mentions (on page 130 of his book) to:

"Pack some white grease into the pump body. It will ensure oil system priming, and help build oil pressure rapidly upon engine start-up."

Clancy

Re: Oil Pump Lube

Hiya Burr,

The problem is actually a two pointed question..............

1.  Has anybody heard of packing an oil pump with petroleum jelly?
and if not...............
2.  Does anybody know of an assembly lube that looks like petroleum jelly?

I pulled the pump on this engine because it came to me set up for use in an AutoStick.  Because it has a universal case, I decided instead to use it in my Bus so I had to change the out oil pump and flexplate.

Hiya Sean,

This stuff is definitely not white.  It is clear like petroleum jelly.  Nothing cheap or anything overlooked in the construction of this engine. 

And by the way Sean, you'd like this............It's a 1600 Single Port and the heads were hemi cut.

Hiya Clancy,

You know, after I posted and I thought about it a bit, I did seem to recall that business about packing the pump with grease.  But, of course, the problem for me is that this stuff, whatever it is, is definitely not grease.

Mike

1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck

Re: Oil Pump Lube

OK, yes I have heard of using petroleum jelly as a lube in the oil pump,anything to help prime it. And no I personally have not seen any assembly lube that looks like it.
  burrhead

burrhead

A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion.

Re: Oil Pump Lube

Well I dunno much , but I know this ! No spotey in my Engine's Man ! Ok ! Cant go there with the Vaseline Crew !! Ok ! LMAO
  White grease ?? Nope ! No white grease crew , gonna grease me !! LMAO
  Seriously tho your talkin about Lubri Plate ! Think that's what your refering to as white grease !
  It disolves just like break in grease , comes out in a silver white swirl in the Engine oil .
  Bottom line if you got chitt like that in your Engine !! It will plug oil port's and oil cooler's !
  One way to check see how extensive this Cookie Lubricant is distributed thru out the motor is to pull the Oil Cooler and look in the bottom of it ! Could be if you used the old cooler that this was left over from a previous engine ???
  Pull oil screen !! See if it's there !
  Now Cosmoline ?? Im trying to think here !! But you done creeped me out with the Spotey thing in the Engine ??? LMAO
   Cosmoline is what they coat part's with too keep them from rusting ! Seem's like Ive seen a Engine tore down before that someone had assembled with the Cosmoline not washed off ??
  I just cant remember it this mornin ?? But somethin is tellin me that it mixe's with oil it become's clear jelly like !
  Was deisel used in a part's washer << Definately get jelly like in consistency !! In fact that's what Im thinkin ?? Used Deisel to rinse the Oil Cooler and didnt give it a good rinseing ??? Look in the bottom of the Oil cooler !!
                                                                     Sean

Re: Oil Pump Lube

Hiya All,

I'm thinking that Burr may have confirmed my suspicions about petroleum jelly, but, with the idea that one picture is worth a thousand words, I thought I'd post this up............

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa85/Bookwus1/Bug/IMG_0960.jpg

The red coloring along the flange is simply color from the gasket bleeding onto that surface.  It seems that the clear stuff draws out the color from the gasket.  And it also seems that this clear stuff, while mostly solid, liquifies pretty easily.  Anyway, there's a little glob of the stuff at about 1:00 on the mating surface of the pump.  And if you look closely you can see the stuff (both solid and in a semi-liquid state in the gear recesses) elsewhere.

Sorry Sean, there is no oil cooler on this engine as of yet.  This is brand new rebuilt long block.  Whatever this substance is, it was placed there by the rebuilder for initial run-in of the engine.

Mike

1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck

Re: Oil Pump Lube

I once bought a newly rebuilt waterboxer (which uses the same pump) to use while I rebuilt the original, and had a terrible time getting the pump to prime. (Maybe this was because cheap pumps have too much clearance.)
Anyway, that convinced me packing with grease may be a good idea...

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Well  thought we were dealin with a runn in motor ? Break in Lube ! What I do with my Pump's fill um with break in lube least the gear's !
  Never had a problem with Pump's primming ! Not even used pump's ! Ive never seen clear break in lube tho ??
  Mix it with oil see what it doe's ! Just take a pinch in a small bottle and shake it up !
                      Sean

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...looks like the stuff I used to use to slick down my hair back in the 50's.....when I had hair.....<sigh>....

C.

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Hiya Clancy,

Hair or no hair, you are 'da man!

I decided to check out your reference to Tom Wilson's book and sure enough, the mention of packing with white grease was right there on page 130.  But in scanning the pictures and their captions on that same page, what did I see?  You guessed it!  Tom was packing a Type 4 oil pump with petroleum jelly.  And I quote......"Petroleum jelly or white grease is fine for packing".

Small mystery solved!  Thanks to all who offered their opinions and experience.

Mike

1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck

Re: Oil Pump Lube

Ok ! But petroleum Jelly ?? As for Hair Im regular Hair God !! My Uncle would crack me Up Roll up in a my Old 66 Shelby when I was talkin to Chick's !
  Runn his finger's over his bald head like he had Hair ! Go yupp I use to be a Hair God !! Then light um up !!
  These one Girl's were Like Do you Know that Guy ! I be Like nope Sure Dont !! LMAO
      Sean

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Mike: I was so intent on finding the text that I totally rushed right by the photographs! D'oh! Good catch.

Clancy