Re: Finally - leak-free oil drainplate gaskets!
When I bought those gaskets, VW sold them separatly, not in a kit. I wonder if the part number for just the gasket is still valid?
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Maybe, ya still got it ?
-Darby
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I received the "thin" silicone gaskets from aircooled, and they do look rugged. They are actually .064" thick - so they are thicker than the paper ones. The "thick" ones they sell are .090 thick - so longer studs might be needed to get good thread engagement.
I'm not due an oil change for a while (synthetic), but I'll report when I try them.
Re: Finally - leak-free oil drainplate gaskets!
Hello all,
I've made my own from cereal boxes. I used the cardboard gasket from a kit as a template. Then, I sprayed the copies with a spray on gasket sealer from NAPA (#765-1224). It works well (no leaks) and is inexpensive, not to mention the recycling aspect. The drain plug washer and nut washers I buy at a local bolt and screw shop.
I thank Bob Hoover for this idea.
John Alden
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Tom, Bruce, Do you still run the strainer along with the Mexi's filter ? I do but a local off road guy swears up & down I don't have to and I think he's nuts.
-Darby
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I just use what come's with the STP oil screen Lil Orange RTv on outer Circumference , But told you can use grease .
Most reason Oil plate's leak is due too the hole's being beveled from over tightening . New oil plate or tapping the hole's back flat will usually cure it .
Darby as too using a screen on the Mexi Engines , realize that your Off Road buddy has a point in the fact that Oil screen's Impede oil traveling back too the Sump .
Repeated hard brakeing and hard cornering in Vw's will result in a flickering oil light , indicative of sump starvation .
Wich is why we use the STP Oil screen's << Bigger screen mesh more porous , allow's oil too return too the Sump faster .
Might consider STP oil screen or not runnin screen at all .
Been a lott of Vw mech's over the year's try too cure this sump starvation problem .
Windage tray's , Windage tube's , Adding an oil sump tray too the bottom , none of wich have impressed me , and the ones that work ? Are generally a trade off !
Ground clearance , or oil that doesnt splash out but is slow in runnin back in << Work's for a few lapp's around the track ?
But bigger oil screen's on a spinn on filter system, or full flow , is an improvement !
Sean
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I do still use the strainer for two reasons:
1. To protect the pump from large chunks. Nearly all engines have a screen of some sort on the pump intake, but usually pretty coarse so it doesn't restrict. (Until oil sludge builds up on it and trashes your VW 1.8T engine...) If there was a coarser screen for T1 I'd use it.
2. To be sure the oil pickup tube stays in position. (A habit from before the pickup tube was anchored with a stud...)
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You are right, Darby. Your local off road guy is a fool. Every car made today has some sort of screen over the pickup. The screen is not a restriction, that is a fantasy.
Tom, there are screens with different mesh sizes. Genuine VW of Germany screens are quite fine, that's what I use. Then I have also seen at least 2 others that are coarser. The worst one has holes over 1/16" square. I use the finest one. My Mexi uses the original one VW put in there.
One thing I noticed the first time I changed the oil in my Mexi was that the 6 washers under the cap nuts were the cheap copper plated steel washers you get with the crappy Brazilian gasket sets. These were installed by the VW dealer in Villahermosa Mexico during the car's 1st oil change. I didn't get a chance to see what the factory used. Since then I have found gasket kits labeled as "Made in Germany" that have true copper washers. I test all of them with a magnet. Copper washers deform to seal, steel don't. Part of your leakage could be due to these steel washers.
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Tom, Question on the 1.8T. I succumed and bought a very clean '05 New Beetle Turbo with 23,000 miles that was traded in at the dealer my wife works but I have no service history. I've got 31,000 miles on it now and I change the oil every 3000 miles using Mobil 1 0w40 and the standard MANN oil filter (719/5 ??)......(not the high mileage one) but I keep hearing horor stories about sludge build up in these cars. I've been half tempted to do a motor flush oil change next time while the engine is still "young". What are your thoughts ? DO you think the Mobil 1 has detrgent enough to clean out anything that might have been going on before I got it. I normally keep a car as long as it is economicaly servicable (that was 515,000 on my 74)
-Darby
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Darby you have a Turbo Bugg ??
Is it fast I was told I think 184 Horses .
Bruce did you read my post ?
I guess I just sit around and make this stuff up ? Oil screen impedes oil travel back too the sump .
Would I runn with out a screen ? No I wouldnt unless I was on a spinn on filter , full flow system .
But opt instead too runn the Bigger mesh STP oil screen, allowing oil too return too the sump faster . As in not restrictive just Impedeing ! As in go out and really drive your car , hard brakeing , hard cornering Hell pretend your a proffessional , NASCAR driver ? Then ask me how too make the Lil Oil light quit flickering , on the corner's !
Rather talk too Darby about his Turbo Charged Beetle ! Schweitzer Turbo ? As in what comes on these car's , how much Boost , and has the Drivers side window fallen down inside the door , Was told this was a problem with them .
I have yett too work on one , or even look under the hood of one . Go figure !
Thinkin I should test drive one at the Dealer ship or somethin .
Sean
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I emailed Darby back on his 1.8T. I doubt if he would have a sludge problem. It has been an issue when American drivers use cheap oil and don't change it often. THe cheaper oils bake down with the heat of the turbo, and the sludge builds up on the pump intake screen and can restrict the flow, leading to low oil pressure and lack of lubrication. Hasn't been a problem in Europe where they generally have better oil specs and pay more attention to maintenance.
Mobil 1 0W40 meets VW 502.00 spec and has good cleaning action. Changing at 3000 miles is likely overkill, but over time will probably clean any traces of sludge. Assuming it has good oil pressure now there is no effective problem, and is shouldn't get worse.
VW has gone to 10K oil change intervals on the Touareg (even the turbo-diesel V10), using good synthetic oil. (Of course, VW considers vehicle life to be 100,000 miles, so that may affect their recommendations!)
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Tom, Thanks fr the reply and e-mail. I'd rather overkill the oil changes than kill the NB !
Sean, The Turbo "S" was 184hp and must really fly. I have the (Ok I have to say MY WIFE HAS THE....) standard NB Turbo it is rated at 150hp. I was told the computer is the only difference. I'm very pleased with the car, of course the boy racer in my wants to put a 'chip in it to get those 184 horses but old age and better judgement says just leave it stock. It has a 6 speed tiptronic trans and in sport mode it holds the turbo at the perfect rpm and the car drives very well with great response. This isn't a car that we went looking for, this is a car that found us but it is equipped just like I would have ordered it including orange and the upgraded 17" wheels. It was just meant to be and I'd like to keep it a good long time. My orange '74 lasted 30 years and 500,000 miles I'll bet this one wont go that far but we'll see.
-Darby
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Sean's wrote:
Bruce did you read my post ?
I guess I just sit around and make this stuff up ? Oil screen impedes oil travel back too the sump .
I don't read your posts. The only reason I saw this is because I saw my name in it.
The oil screen has no effect on oil draining back to the sump. The screen is sitting at the bottom of the sump, so how the hell can it impede oil when it is at the end of the line?
If you have a problem with your oil light flickering during corners or braking, you have just exposed the effects of not enough oil sump capacity. There is no other modern 4 cyl car that uses such a tiny amount of oil stock (2.5 liters). 3.5-4 liters is typical for most other 4 cylinder cars. A 911 with it's 6 cyl engine uses 12 liters. When your car was new, it had bias ply tires and ineffective drum brakes. I'd say that 99+% of cars have been upgraded to stickyer radial tires, and a significant number of those have disc brakes. Those two factors allow the car to corner and brake far harder than VW's engineers antisipated. The solution is to add a deep sump.
In my German Beetle, I have a deep sump, with the finest (most restrictive) screen in existance. I also have a larger than stock 30mm pump. 4 wheel disc brakes with sticky tires allow me to brake and corner much more than most cars on the road. My oil light NEVER flickers, even when one time I held the engine at 6500 rpm for over 30 sec.
Re: Finally - leak-free oil drainplate gaskets!
I just changed oil on a car last night that I used my Hi-Tac sprayed gaskets on about 6 months ago and there were no leaks. This car has a new quality oil sump plate with a drain in it. Note the quality replacement drain plates are normally cad plated not painted and have a nut welded on the inside so you are actually threading the drain bolt into 1/4" worth of threads not just thru the cheap stamped sump plate.
So to sum it up, I'd like to find the VW / Mexico sump gaskets, the silicone ones sound like a great idea too but until I run out of the cheap ones I have I'll continue with the Hi-Tac spray. I spray them both sides & edges with Permatex Hi-Tac copper and then carefully hang them to dry. When dry I just hang them on a hook inside a cabinet. When draining the oil on a car I give them another quick spray and use them like this. Seems to work well.
-Darby
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Doesnt read my post ?
Not sure if Im releived or insulted ?
Pretty certain I dont give a Ratt's back side tho !
Disc brake's , Radial tire's , all I ever needed too make my oil light flicker was a Beer run !
100 Miles down a dirt road too nearest Town, is a long way's too be drivin like a Sissy La La !
Or have a deep sump knocked off in a dipp !
Doesnt read my post ? Im Miffed even ! Ouch ! Be drinkin hard over that one !
Sure as hell never sendin you for Beer ! Radial tire's , Disc brake's , next thing you know be askin for direction's or a Map , probably have too wait on you too install a GPS in your car, so you dont get lost !
LMAO Sean