• sean
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Yeeesshhh guys are up on FI ? Ryann if you have Italian Webbers <<< worth twice what Webbers are worth made in Spain . My understanding that Italian 48 IDA,s runn 2500 a set . <<, used rebuilt . Im thinkin K- Dogs gonna be the future . Due too Webbers no longer being made . Can gett more horses out of Webbers . But parts availiability comes in too play . Buildin your own Fuel injection system would have very expensive learning curve . Why they gett big buck's ?? As too 2000 dollar bugs . Last gas crisis I had 25 people approach me too buy Ole Blue << my daily driver , beater 69 standard . Told um if I cant get 4 out of her I would keep her . No takers ??? Go figure ? But then again I dont wanna sell her ? These Car's too labour intensive too sell for that kinda money . Parts too expensive . Im Speculateing Gas goes up cause of Iran , China , N. Korean Political issues . People keep modifying these cars , and hopping them up ? Days commin when Volkswagens will be Hot Rodds of the future . You'll be seeing Guys forkin out 2 or 3 grand on Volkswagen Hull's no motors / 4 Buck's a Gal. 6 mpg big block American Muscle <, gonna strictly be a rich man,s show car ! Watchin one of them American Hot Rodd Shows on Tv . Guy forked out thinkin was 3 grand on a 68 Firebird << Car was stripped out cancerd up Hull . Then they rebuilt the car Sold it at Vegas Auction for like 70 grand think it was ?? Incredible amount of money , for a car . But it had latest Technological modifications in it . My opinion if you own a Bug and its road worthy and runns , No Paint or Interior > Barely driveable ?? Start at 3 grand or keep it ! The back lash of Failed Korean , Vietnam War Was American Muscle car Era . Who knows what back lash Will be on political issues of today ? Political , and Economical Pendelum always swings one extreme too the other , Never resting in the Middle ! Maybe some day see a Bugg Bring 100 grand at Auction ? Maybe I watch too much Tv ? Sean

  • Ryan
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$2500, better bring some vaseline.  I just saw a used set listed at $750 with manifolds, linkage and A/Cs.  They haven't been professionally rebuilt and aren't modded, but even that won't push the price much past $1200,,, depending on the mods.  --Ryan

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Well admittedly hadnt seen um bring that but am told Italian 48 IDA's Worth Twice Price of ones made in Spain . Sure like too find 4 of um on Big Block Ford manifold at a swapp meet , or yard sale for 150 buck's ? I like Webbers ! brother had K- dogs year's ago . I just never liked um . Joel lived down street from us when he rann Off road races, was Dad 's Buddy . I remember I seen big long screw driver . I Was like Ok What, was the other option ?? I Knew Joel Runn um for Off Road Racing But K - Dogs were Ugly ! Webbers better lookin carb, More Horse Power . I never Got intoo Kadrons except my brothers years ago , until now . There not Badd Carbs . Pretty Simple carb's really . Easily Modified , But Still Butt ugly lookin carb's . Thinkin Im Gonna try too set my drill press up With Reamer Bit Too Bore Venturis . Not Too Sure what that's gonna take , or if I Can Even get that big , with my drill press ? But look intoo it , Got A Lil Machine shop back ground , with aluminum , use too Build Winches for Company Called Desert Dynamics . << Went Bank Rupt . But we hadd 4 reamers set up plus 1 drill press set up with reamers . Drill press almost killed me once ! Wrapped battery cable around my hand rann it thru the vice and tried too ream end bigger for bigger bolt too go thru it . Not Good ! LMAO Sean

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If you get them from the blue oval crowd, bring your checkbook, those guys live in la la land.
Sounds like a guy at one of the Catepillar shops around here that didn't secure his work on the drill press, knocked half his hand right off.  --Ryan

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Blue Oval Crowd ??? You know I dont Own a Check Book !! Cash, Gold, Gunn's, Other , Or Parts ! Just finished 20 Years , Calif Child Support Programm ! You Know Where Sick Or Injured, Laid Off, Get Behind A Month They Just come in Empty, your Bank Account of your House Payment Action ! Doin Same thing Now On Release of Liability when you sell a Car or Unpaid Parkin Tickets, DMV Fee's etc . Now Every one in the Peoples Communist Republic Of Californication , Gonna gett a Taste of What Ive been dealin with for 20 Year's LMAO Empty your Bank Account of Crucially need'ed , Funds ! Then Call you Names Like Dead Beat Dad << Love that blankin Term ! LMAO , I mean really LMAO!! I give It 1 too 3 Years Franchise Tax Board << Run By Indians In India By the Way !! Think of it 2nd Largest Economy In the World ? They have Access too Everyones Bank Account ??? Just Gotta Conscrew some B.S. Reason that you owe them money, wether or not you actually Do ! They Just take it ! You Prove there wrong try too get money Back ! Riggghhttttt !!! Ever Hear Term > Credit your Account ??? Right!  LMFAO  Arnold You Sly Devil You !!! Yeah and every one think's he is all Muscle No Brain's ! Bustamante Couldnt Wait , too Runn This, scamm  By Him . Couldnt Get Ole Davis too Do it ! << Ventin A Lil >. That's All ! LMFAO Sean

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So I am one guy who thinks FI is better than carbs . I am a mechanic , and I actually find FI an easier system to work with than carbs . I really don't care for trying to adjust the idle , play with jets , etc. and then if you change altitudes , you have to reset . With FI , the system does all of it , and much better , quicker , and more efficiently .

  • TomB
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Welcome Dakota,
I agree - I have two FI Beetles and wouldn't think of going back to carbs.

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I've just gotten into the VW FI systems lately with 3 buses I'm working on so I'll put in my two cents on the original setups.

First off they run great. Just like my Neon. On the '78 you can just turn the key without touching the gas pedal and it fires instantly and idles perfect. And it sat for years unused. The PO couldn't get it to run and it turned out to be the fuel pump relay had a bad ground. I just changed the gas and oil and fired it up. Accelerates really nice.

The '75 also runs great after sitting for who knows how long. The body was rotten so I transferred the FI engine to a '74. Only difficult part was welding in the air cleaner bracket.

The '77 has been converted to a Weber progressive which is great except for icing up. I bought a used FI system for $50 and am installing it.

Whole systems or parts can be bought cheap due to the large number of people who swapped them out for carbs. The Bentley explains why people do this.

"Electronic testing requires only a test light and either an ohmmeter or a VOM. (multi-meter) You should, however, have a thorough basic knowledge of electricity and be familiar with reading wiring diagrams before you attempt such tests. If you lack the skills, instruments or other equipment necessary for testing the electronic FI system we suggest you leave such tests or repairs to an authorized VW dealer ...."

A lot of us have problems with electrical diagrams and electrical work in general and we all know how much help VWOA is. The original system is probably the simplest one to understand and retro fit.

jim

'71 SB(DD only 79K(now 84K miles) & '78 FI Westy (project)
PO of '65 Beetle in '69, '70 Crewcab & '70 Ghia in '77
'71 Super inside rear vents now available
http://www.openroad.ca/volkswebbin/view … p?id=85915
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Hey guys, has anyone every tried using CV carbs (MIKUNI, KEHIN are the more popular brands) on their vws?  Well i'd like to share that i have since 1998 been using it on my vw engines.  They are the same carburettors used on big displacement motorcycles.  I currently use 38s on my 1776 motor.  My experience is that if tuned real well, no flat spots even if you floor from idling.  Just like a bike.  My theory is that even if bikes have twice the RPM, vw's have twice the displacement.  So air volume would not be a problem to operate the vacuum in the carburettors.  There is a needle that regulates fuel input as proportional to the opening of the venturi and flow of air.  This is such a great carburettor system that it is also less affected by change in elevation.  Fuel economy?  You only use what you need... No accelerator pumps... No electronic complications but approximates the FI.  Mercedes and Honda both made their own versions but discontinued due to the development of FI.  Don't take my word for it, try it. 

Here are 3  image links i posted on the web.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p9-f … G_4864.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ykmg … G_4868.JPG

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You should probably start a new thread on this. That engine is very interesting looking.

jim

'71 SB(DD only 79K(now 84K miles) & '78 FI Westy (project)
PO of '65 Beetle in '69, '70 Crewcab & '70 Ghia in '77
'71 Super inside rear vents now available
http://www.openroad.ca/volkswebbin/view … p?id=85915
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I'm willing to help out anyone interested.  I'm currently rebuilding my vw bug and have actually made the body wider.  I wanted to tuck in the wide 225s at the rear and 207s up front without modifying the fenders.  I turned out making the whole body from new metal except for the two halves of the roof.  The doors are all new too.  I am using porsche hubs, brakes, rear diagonal arm and rack-and-pinion.  Here is a link to my album on the build.  https://picasaweb.google.com/1141391192 … ASWIDEBUG#

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I will make a new thread on this. Thanks Jamesdagg