Topic: Starter

Hey sorry for the "long time no hear from" rutiane been working on the vw a lot. Ok my problem is I think there is something up withmy starter something in wiring b/c I've been pull starting it and well I'd like to start it at a stand still so any ideas??? that and where is the master cylinder located at??? I know where the brake fliud gose but ehere is the master cylinder?? Also the accelerator spring thing on the carb the way it is now I think it makes the engine idle way too fast any way to fix this?? any help would be apprecaited.

Last edited by 71_superman (2006-06-01 17:53:16)

Peace, Love, and VWs
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Re: Starter

I know I posted a simmilair topic a while ago but now I got new information on my problem now

Peace, Love, and VWs
71/72 Super Beetle sedan
Restoration in progress

Re: Starter

Do you have any manuals, such as John Muir's "How to keep your Volkswagen Alive", or a Chilton's/Haynes/Clymer/Bentley...?  If you don't have at least one of them yet, then I strongly urge you to make that investment before going any further.

Starter:  Have you tested the starter to find out if it's even working?  There are procedures explained in Muir's book on how to do that safely.  If it checks out, you need some sort of circuit tester to start checking wires/grounds, etc.

Master Cylinder:  other side of the kickwall from the brake pedal.  Easily found if you pull off the left front tire, and you'll see it.

Spring on the carb:  The spring won't make the engine idle too fast, but other things (timing, carb adjustment, tight accelerator cable) will.  Before turning any screws on your carb, read the manuals on how to do it properly; give your engine a complete tuneup, and then you can make the adjustments.

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Re: Starter

Yeah I got a chilton's (I bought very first thing after the car) and although very informative in the engine rebiulding department I can't find what I'm looking for in it for the starter other than wiring diagrams witch agian don't really give me an answer I'm looking for. Any manuels put in stupidly simple terms?? kinda like them "(topic) for dummies" books?? I'm sure the starter is good how else would I be able the pull start it??? Unless it's an internal problem maybe?? if that's the case could I rebuild the starter, right???

so the break fliud housing(where you put the break fluid in) is on the opposite side of the master cylinder correct?

the spring comment: so maybe I got the screw a little tight?? Timing adjustment I know how to do just turn the disrtbutor one way or another right?? Or is that sumthing completly different??

I have a lot of questions as you can tell. being my first vintage vw and all.

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71/72 Super Beetle sedan
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Re: Starter

Yeah I Have A Chiltons Big Book covers all foreign cars like up too 79 I Think from 68 << Somethin like that . Can Tell You Things Are Done Differently Than what a Chilton,s Will Give You . Least For the Most part these days . Best Bett Here Is I Agree with the Bugmeister On This John Muirs Idiot Manual How Too Keep Your Volkswagen Alive is Probably the Best for the beginner Volkswagen Mechanic . << very Informative and big time on the shade tree how too, in your Garage . Keep the Chilton,s <, as Back Up has Good Info Also . But cant beat the Idiot manual . <, Sell um at Napa auto . Now as too your starter problem ? Jack car up Crawl under neath it Look Around the wires Goin too The Starter Should be a Big Battery Wire , then a small grey wire usually layin across the transaxle too the starter plugged in too small male prong on the starter solenoid . This small wire is what engages the starter . Now if you dont have that then Hi Probability exist you have a small wire runnin from the starter solenoid intoo a small black box and or a Ford Solenoid < This is an Upgrade . If Its the Small Black Box Will usually Have an In Line Plastic Fuse . << Check the Fuse And Chec Too see if Wire that Goes Too Black Box thats Probably layin across the transaxle has fire too the black box with a test lamp while somebody turns key switch too start . ( Disconnect Coil wire For safety So wont start and Run you over ) Post again with your Findings . As Too Location of Lil Black Relay Box << Purely depends where They Drilled A Hole and Mounted it with a screw , Sometime Its Just hangin . But should be with in A Foot or so Of The Starter . As Too Master Cylinder When You Gett That far Post Again With Problem,s Etc Reason Why you Want Too know where its At Etc . As Too Carb Type Etc More Info Needed . Sean

Re: Starter

1.  Get the Muir manual!!!  It lays out procedures (including how to test your starter) in easy to understand language.  Based on your posts, this book will be ideal for getting you going in the right direction.

2.  What do you mean by pull start?  If you mean rolling the car and popping the clutch, then the starter has absolutely nothing to do with that!

3.  Don't go adjusting your timing or your carberator until you have and understand the proper instructions otherwise you run the risk of really buggering things up, like melting a piston buggered!

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1957 Type 1 Sunroof

Re: Starter

By pull staring I mean pulling it with a chain behind a lawn tractor witch is at full throtle.

as to the master cylinder comment My cusin was looking for it for some reason(trying to help me with the problem, I geuss) He thought it was around the engine.The container that's inside the driver's side front fender I'm assuming that that's where the break fliud gose(missing the cap).

I mite one of these weekends put it on the rack(lift) and see what's what underneath

Peace, Love, and VWs
71/72 Super Beetle sedan
Restoration in progress

Re: Starter

Ok...

Your 'pull starting' is essentially jump starting the car - you get it in motion then pop the clutch and that starts the engine.  Your starter has nothing to do with that, so you still have no idea if the problem is wiring or starter.  Get the Muir book.  Follow the instructions to check your starter.

Brake fluid goes in the brake fluid reservoir, which is that white plastic container under the hood on the drivers side, just above your gas tank.  The master cylinder is underneath the gas tank, and you can see it behind the driver's side tire.  You need to get a cap so you a) have enough brake fluid b) don't have brake fluid ruining your paint and c) don't create environmental impact by leaving a stream of brake fluid behind you...

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1957 Type 1 Sunroof

Re: Starter

Der Bugmeister wrote:

Ok...

Your 'pull starting' is essentially jump starting the car - you get it in motion then pop the clutch and that starts the engine.  Your starter has nothing to do with that, so you still have no idea if the problem is wiring or starter.

Exacly......I figure something's not hooked up right considering when I got it, it was literally in pieces and all inside the car, engine case, tail light lenses, spare tire, and the "hood" or rear hatch or what ever you wanna call it all of it. So I'm thinking I need to get under there and see if I can figure out what the problem. Oh btw is the type 1 wiring all intergrated in to one circt more specifcaly my wiring. Saw in Herbie fully loaded wher they compltely shut Herbie down by unpluging the L-plate light connectors so that's why I asked

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Re: Starter

motor runs smooth and all but again it's the "stand alone" starting I geus you could put it that's the problem

Last edited by 71_superman (2006-06-03 16:56:57)

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Re: Starter

So I'm thinking I need to get under there and see if I can figure out what the problem.

Ummmm, yup, that's what you gotta do.  But go get that book first so you have an idea of what you're looking for.

Saw in Herbie fully loaded wher they compltely shut Herbie down by unpluging the L-plate light

Do you believe everything you see in movies???

You've got quite a few fuses in your car - each fuse represents a different circuit.  Get a book with a wiring schematic, or check out some of the sites with wiring diagrams (sorry, I don't have any links handy)

1979 Type 1 Convertible                                       1976 Scirocco (For Sale!)
1971 Type 1 Semi-Automatic Super                       1968 Type 1 Sedan
1961 Type 1 Sedan
1957 Type 1 Sunroof

Re: Starter

^^^^ SO is that a no on the movie thing?

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71/72 Super Beetle sedan
Restoration in progress

Re: Starter

That is a 'no' on the movie thing.

Bought the book yet?  ;-)

1979 Type 1 Convertible                                       1976 Scirocco (For Sale!)
1971 Type 1 Semi-Automatic Super                       1968 Type 1 Sedan
1961 Type 1 Sedan
1957 Type 1 Sunroof

Re: Starter

Got the book from the library yesturday. You're right they write it so simply even I can understand it. I'm looking around so I can get my own copy to keep.

Peace, Love, and VWs
71/72 Super Beetle sedan
Restoration in progress

Re: Starter

Hey Superman...how Are You...got The "starting" Problem Solved? If You Don't...I Installed  A Starter On My '74 Bug,maybe A Couple Of Weeks Ago Or So...still Didn't Start. Checked  To See If Fire Was going To Coil...no Fire...replaced...car Started And Runs Great!

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