Topic: Cramming a V8 into a beetle

Just curious about peoples thoughts... how can this be done.

Is it best to just drop the body on an existing frame? (like an s-10 or something?) so the motor mounts and transmission would already be in place?

Anyone ever done a v8 in a bug?  -- I've done a bit of looking aroudn and havent found any "plans" or anything.  My brother has done a v8 in an rx-7, so I'm sure I could get him to help me out on this, but it'd be nice to hear if people have done it successfully already smile

-biggie

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I've been thinking the other way - transplanting a 1200 Type 1 into an F250...

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Tom B - Oh, sure, it SOUNDS like a good idea. Four and a half tons GVW at 32 MPG. But can you imagine trying accelerate uphill into the wind on a day like today? (By the way, my stock F-150 with the straight six, fuel injection, and the five speed gets twenty-two miles per gallon if I leave the camper shell on for reduced wind resistance and never drive much faster than fifty.)

V8s have definitely been put in VWs in the past. I think one of the guys who lurks on these boards has done it, but he refuses to talk about it anymore because so many people were annoying him with questions about it.

So much has to be done, that when one of these cars sells it probably brings $50,000 or more; and I don't imagine they sell very often.

I don't remember all the details of the two or three conversions I've seen at auto shows and such, but I do remember that in one case the engine came into the passenger compartment. The back seat disappeared and a new firewall was built. The result was no longer a rear-engine car, but a mid-engine one. I suppose the transaxle was turned around. Obviously, all sorts of braces had to be installed in all sorts of places to allow the VW pan to stand up to the resultant torque.

I don't remember where the radiator went.

A much better idea was employed just a few years back by a local hot rodder, who took an old Toyota pickup, with its close-spaced five-speed transmission, decent steering, and modern brakes and tires, and mounted a big V8 in it. He just stuck it between the frame rails behind the cab. Brilliant!

He ended up with one kick-ass sports car. No one could keep up with it, and it cornered really, really well on our twisty field-boundry-corner roads of eastern Travis and Williamson counties. (Mid-engine cars may not necessarily be the best in terms of ultimate cornering speed, but many think they are; and certainly, they are more predictable and easier to set-up than home-built front- or rear-engine designs.)

The problem was, even though on the open road it could run away from just about any car in the greater Austin area, it failed to be a babe magnet; even with a custom paint job and fancy wheels, it just didn't look sexy. So, he sold it. I never have yet found out what he got for it, but it wasn't on the lot for very long.

Now he drives a badly mutilated 1933 Ford V8 with 1975 Gran Torino or similar running gear just like all the other hot rodders drive. No doubt it handles like garbage compared to the Toyota and my stock '66 Type I will probably pull away from it in those same tight corners. Certainly he doesn't go barraling down the open road in it like he would with the pickup; but even so, he can't fend off the hot babes fast enough.

And then there was the kid in Louisiana who alledgedly put a Cessna engine in a late '60s Chevy C-10. I've been told he didn't like to drive it much faster than about 120 MPH. Avgas is expensive and kind of hard to find on the back roads of Arcadia; and, it turns out a stock C-10 with the coil spring rear end and old-fashioned GM ''knee-action'' independent front suspension really doesn't do too well at very high speeds...

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For a far simpler conversion that requires almost no cutting or fitting and can easily be returned to stock, see  http://www.geocities.com/zenjoe/vw.html

David H
'66 VW Beetle w/sunroof
http://tinyurl.com/qhw59
"Where am I going ... and why am I in this handbasket?"

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Sorry, I meant to include this link also http://www.kennedyeng.com/vw_por.htm

They make adaptor kits for any engine into a VW

David H
'66 VW Beetle w/sunroof
http://tinyurl.com/qhw59
"Where am I going ... and why am I in this handbasket?"

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It's been done many times in many different ways.  Front mount, mid mount...yes, you have to reinforce the chassis, along with plumbing your coolant etc.  You also have to worry about your transaxle - I had a friend who planted a 327 in his '69s backseat, and it loved blowing up transaxles, even performance built ones.

The slickest setup I've seen used a '70 Cadillac Eldorado (front wheel drive) which put a 500ci V8 along with the matching automatic transmission into the back seat.

1979 Type 1 Convertible                                       1976 Scirocco (For Sale!)
1971 Type 1 Semi-Automatic Super                       1968 Type 1 Sedan
1961 Type 1 Sedan
1957 Type 1 Sunroof

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So, it seems VW also stands for Verwechselt Wankel...

I forgot to mention, DB, I've also seen an Eldorado conversion somewhere...maybe it was the same one. But I've kind of got the feeling it was on one of those tricycles. I see a LOT of them during the Republic of Texas Rally.

Last edited by CW (2006-01-19 17:31:56)

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More like Verstecktes Wankel, don't you think?

David H
'66 VW Beetle w/sunroof
http://tinyurl.com/qhw59
"Where am I going ... and why am I in this handbasket?"

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This guy has done 5 of 'em. http://www.rorty-design.com/content/beetle.htm .  What I want to know is if anyone has done it with a regular V8 tranny and rear diff instead of these transaxles. I'd kinda like to keep a cheap stock gm drivetrain together to minimize cost and potential problems. I'm sure you'd have to move the firewall to the back of the front seats to make room, but you might have better balance that way.

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It seems like this is becoming a more and more discussed idea.  I looked into putting a LS-6 motor with a Tremec T-56 transmission and a Ford 9" or hot rod IRS.  The only problem I ran into was the foot well area.  The headers from the motor protrude into the cab so much that I could not seem to make room for a manual trans. pedal setup.  I might work if the engine was pushed farther forward but that would yeild lowering handling capabilities.  This guy put a 289 with an automatic transmission: http://hotrodders.com/gallery/showgalle … user/13474 and he is using a frame from: http://www.prostreetbug.com/

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Done a lot in the past. Best tranny is a Porsche with the ring & pinion flopped and extra spider gears added, or a late model type 2. Used in mid-engine configuration, or the Caddy, Tornado, Riviera front drive tranny. Paul Newman had one in the 60's with the engine in the rear passenger compartment. I have no idea what happened to that car. Given the HP potential of the GM Ecotec, I would think this would be the best swap candidate today. It's a lot of custom fabrication to do a swap.

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Here is the foot well problem I was talking about http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v385/CMD/V-8319.jpg

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BEST OF LUCK!!!!

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webbee wrote:

Paul Newman had one in the 60's with the engine in the rear passenger compartment.

If I recall, that was a 1963 Cabrio (we called them convertibles back then).  I was a student at Chaffey College in Ontario, CA from 1969-1971 during which time Paul donated the car to the school's one-of-a-kind Automotive Technology program.  The car was displayed several times at the school and was also driven in the inaugural parade for the Ontario Motor Speedway.  If I recall, it had a Ford V-8 (forget the displacement) mated to a ZF Transaxle.  The only outward sign of the conversion was that extruded steel mesh replaced the lower 40% of each of the two hood indentations to provide air to the front-mounted radiator.

-Blaine

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