• Registered: 2007-03-27
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Re: Engine numbers

Clancy think he said it was a Sand Pann ! I invented the Sand Pann Buggy back in 1972 at the tender age of 10 ???? Yupp was hangin out in the Devil's Play Ground Dunes with No T.V. to watch, only had a scrawny stick for a freind ?? Found an Old V.W. ??? Rest is History LMAO
  With the exception Of Dune Surfin wich I also Invented in 1972 also. Hey sittin next to that Bugg was a Old Hood off a 51 Plymouth and a Tow Rope !! Go Figure !!
  No wonder at age 48 I have 2 torn rotor Cupp's and Multiple Skull fracture's ???? Really Hurts I get no Credit for my Genuise ??? LMAO
  But as to Size of motor's ??
  There are some Tale , Tell sign's that some one has beefed a motor up or possibly a bore motor !
  After Market head's , Solid shaft rockers , 009 dizzy , Of Course Carb's ! Along with lookin at base of the cylinders and at distance between Cyl. stud and barrel unlees theres a big glob of Silicone << wich silicone is indicative of a rebuild and an experienced eye ?? Can tell if it's 92mm case bore indicateing 90.5 or 92 mm barrel's !Along with 8 dowell SPG crank and fly wheel ! A wedge Matte Crank and fly wheel would indicate possibbly even more Horse's and probability it's been stroked !
  As to Sand Rail's ??
  Ive Been buildin 2 Sand Rail's ! Well 1 right now old 67 Swing arm rail , Then My Dad is Buying a Mid engine rail Minus the Motor and a 8 1/2 ft by 16 ft car hauler some time this week !
  Yupp it Seem's that Jesse Jame's has dropped the whole Harley Davidson Custom Chopper thing <<<( Due to the Communist Sueing Him ) But has remained in Long Beach Calif.
  We here have been advised that Off Road Truck's are His New Gig and we know where he Runnin them per week end try out's !
  Seem's I Saw Him on T.V. givin an interveiw just down the street from us ???
  So I got My youngest 16 Year Old Pumped to run him down in the Desert Like A Coy Dog LMAO
  First time Kidd has shown any Indifference or interest in Work ???? Go Figure !!!
                                                                                         Sean

  • From: Colorado Springs, CO
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Re: Engine numbers

I agree with you Sean on the "sand pan" but he originally wrote:
"i have just purchased a vw rail buggy"

But later mentioned that someone had just removed the body and added some roll bars. I think he said rail buggy because he wasn't familiar with the term sand pan.

Clancy

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Re: Engine numbers

Yeah Like I said, it seem's I dont get no credit for inventing the Sand Pann ?? Go Figure !!!
  Just isnt Faiiiiirrrrrr ?? Nobody ever give's me any credit around here !!! LMAO
  Some Pretty trick Idea's out there on Sand Pannin !
  Guy has one over here he just used the Tunnel from a Pann . Shortend and Tube framed the OEM Tunnel .
  When I first Saw it I thought this is an Unusual lookin Pony Rail frame ?? Closer look revealed it was Sand Pann and they had built a Pony Rail style or High Jumper Sand Rail on just the Tunnel !
   Itchin Idea ! Lil Light in the front but I worked on it and figured a even better Idea on how I would do it ! Get some of the Leverage back to the Front End !
  But I worked on it for 1/2 hour before I even realized that it wasnt a Factory Frame ??? Was that Nice !!
   Pretty Excited here !! Still lookin for Car Hauler !! Cant wait to see the Mid Engine Sand Rail My Pop's is Buyin off His Co- Worker ???
   Got a 100 horse 1776cc long blocked on the Shelf for it !!
   Last Trip I told the Kidd's gotta be a Mountain God like me too climb the Hill Climb !
  I made it to the top on my Kidds 150 Honda But commin down I tumbled to the Bottom !
   Bike was Ok I wasnt !!! Too Damm Old to ride Dirt Bikes !! Truth is ?? Never had much better Luck ridin um when I was a Youngster either !!
   Now My Kidd Call's me the Mountain God who fell off the Mountain !!
                                                                                         Sean

  • From: Barrie, O.N.
  • Registered: 2009-06-24
  • Posts: 3

Re: Engine numbers

Just starting my 65' Bus and am already pulling what's left of my hair out trying to figure out the vehicle codes. I found and deciphered the chassis and I found the engine code but that's what I having trouble with. I've checked through,,idiot's,,bently and what seems like a million websites but can't find mine. I know it's not the original, I think it's a 1600 but other than that who knows. It does have a 12v starter if that helps and any help would be great.

Engine number:  A062703

  • From: Colorado Springs, CO
  • Registered: 2004-03-27
  • Posts: 3,622

Re: Engine numbers

Splitty: Check that engine number one more time. Look for missing letters and digits. The first year of any VW engine starting with an "A" was the 1971 model year. Confirm that number and let us know.
http://www.lightner.net/ybdb/serno.html
http://www.1800vw.bizhosting.com/year_model.htm
http://www.vw-resource.com/years.html

By the way....Welcome to Volkswebbin!

Clancy

PS: No matter what the engine number is, that is no way of guaranteeing that the engine is in a stock configuration. It could have changed sizes during many unknown rebuilds.

  • From: City of Roses
  • Registered: 2004-03-29
  • Posts: 793

Re: Engine numbers

Hiya Clancy,

As Gomer used to yell, "Surprise, surprise!"

Actually there was an "A" series of engines produced in 1965.  Not available in the USA market, these engines were the last of the 36hp engines.  However, Splitty's serial number sequence is all wrong for an "A" series engine, which leads me to think that you are correct in your assumption that Splitty may have missed an alpha character in typing in that engine number.

Mike

1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck
  • From: Colorado Springs, CO
  • Registered: 2004-03-27
  • Posts: 3,622

Re: Engine numbers

Thanks for the clarification, Mike.

OK, Gomer, where did you find that bit of trivia? I couldn't find it in Etzold's books and Car of the Century really only covers the North American models. Inquiring minds want to know!

I hope splittychef checks back in with an update.

Thanks, again.

Clancy

  • From: City of Roses
  • Registered: 2004-03-29
  • Posts: 793

Re: Engine numbers

Hiya Clancy,

I went to the bible of stock restoration, Garwood's Car of the Century, Volume II.

And..............does anybody know what is going on with the Car of the Century website?  It's been "under construction" forever.

Mike

1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck
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Re: Engine numbers

Hmmmm A 0 62307 Maybe Like Me he is Dyslexic ??? Cause Im thinkin the AO That the O is a D !
  As in AD62307 ?
  But Really if it's a 36 the Gen stand will be cast intoo the Block !
  If it's a 40 Horse It will be a single releif case , Could be a 1300cc if single relief also !
  But if it's a Dual releif case then it's 71 and up 1600cc could be T-1 or 2 or 3
  Then back to the 1200cc or the 1300cc If original 40 horse 1200cc it will have the smaller intake manifold !
  Lott's of Industrial Case's out there also ???
                                                                         Sean

  • From: Barrie, O.N.
  • Registered: 2009-06-24
  • Posts: 3

Re: Engine numbers

I looked over the links, thank you.

It's been raining here since  posted last and a sunny day today was spent rounding up camping supplies.
I'll crawl around the bus a bit more on Monday to see if I can find something else. Besides the generator support arm where else could I find an engine number?

Thanks, Splitty

  • From: Colorado Springs, CO
  • Registered: 2004-03-27
  • Posts: 3,622

Re: Engine numbers

Splitty: Is the generator support all one piece and cast into the case? Like this:
http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/347637.jpg

Or is there a separate generator stand bolted to the case?

Clancy

  • From: Barrie, O.N.
  • Registered: 2009-06-24
  • Posts: 3

Re: Engine numbers

Hi guys,  back from laying on the beach to  now laying under the bus.

Clancy, there is a separate generator stand bolted to the case. In that spot the case has the firing order stamped on it.

The Engine # (???) I gave was above that on the generator stand.

Any guesses

Thanks Splittychef

P.s. The [img] tag thing is confusing to a non computer guru so if there's an easier way for me to post a pic of my engine I do that in the hopes of solving this scooby-doo mystery. smile

  • Registered: 2007-03-27
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Re: Engine numbers

In Generall theres a how to post ahhhh post !! <<< Im puter Illiterate My self as in Type with Fatt Finger smashed in West Texas Oil Patch Puter Illiterate !
  But easy to Figure out etc.
  As To Engine #'s <<< Mean's nothin to me ! On Type 1 I look for Dual Releif Case ?
Dual Releif case is determined by lookin at large capp screw's on bottom of the case on the Drivers side should be 1 capp screw back by the Fly Wheel and a another capp screw by the Crank Pulley ! If it has 2 capp screw's it's Dual Releif !
  4 basic type's of case's are 1100 cc wich has the Gen mount cast intoo the case as in previous pic !
  Then the 1200 cc case after that usually determined by intake manifold size ! These are good case's for Hot Rodding ! Better Metallurgy in them and even tho there single releif when tapped for Full Flow great for larger bore motor's !
   Then the 1300 cc case <<<< Unless it's perfect case and Free I dont even consider these case's as viable for rebuild ! In fact I have to go the extra just to consider them Viable for a Tune Up ???? There Junk !!!
   Then In 71 some T-2 and 3's Started the Dual Releif case Dog house cooler then in 72 T-1 Case became Dual releif !
  On some Dual releif case's you will find that even tho Dual Releif there not Dog house style case and have the smaller 10 mm nut's and Stud ??? Ive used them by modifying for the Dog House Cooler ! Work's great !
  As to Mystery ??? Real Mystery is if you got what it take's too make it runn , day after Day ?????? LMAO
   As To Scooby Snack's ??? We Hitt the Jack Pott around here !
   2 Sand Rail's !!!
   One is a a Old Johnny Speed an Chrome Frame rear engine 12 volt swing arm then My Pop's scored from His Buddy a Mid Engine High Jumper Dune Car !
   Yupp Im All Jazz'ed up !!
                                        Sean

  • From: City of Roses
  • Registered: 2004-03-29
  • Posts: 793

Re: Engine numbers

Hiya Sean,

Sean's wrote:

...........Then In 71 some T-2 and 3's Started the Dual Releif case Dog house cooler then in 72 T-1 Case became Dual releif !

You old desert rat!  The sun must be getting to you.

VW's first dual relief case was introduced mid-year during the 1970 production year.  The "B" series engines started out that year with 8mm oil passages and single relief.  They wound up that year with 10mm passages and dual relief.  Doghouses were made stock on all T1 and T2 uprights (because the engines were now dual ports) in 71.

So dual relief actually predates the doghouse.

Last edited by Bookwus (2009-06-29 08:50:26)

Mike

1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck
  • From: Colorado Springs, CO
  • Registered: 2004-03-27
  • Posts: 3,622

Re: Engine numbers

Splitty: As to how to post photographs, first off look at:
http://www.openroad.ca/volkswebbin/view … p?id=78413

What that boils down to is:
1. Take a picture with a digital camera or scan a hardcopy photo.
2. Sign up for web hosting for your photos, like Photobucket, ImageShack, Flickr and many others (just google "free photo hosting")
3. follow the hosting site's instructions to get the photos off your hard drive and onto their web site.
4. Once the image is hosted, it is usually a simple task to "copy" its web location and then simply paste it into your post here.
5. The only "tags" you need to worry about are [img] name and location of the image as defined by your photo hosting site...and [/img] Note the "/" in the last tag.

Thus, the tag for the engine picture I posted would read: "http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/347637.jpg", but it won't show up here without the [img]and[/img] tags

Clancy