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Topic: Afternoon Sean !

Hi Sean,
   Went and checked my taps just to make sure, cat ate my
sandwich while I was gone, thank you Sean! Seems the correct size
for exhaust studs haven't changed since this morning... still 8X1.25
m.m.
I liked your advice on welding a nut on and screwing the stud out.
The only thing I can add is: Make DAMN SURE that if you have to
drill and retap, that you centerpunch the stud EXACTLY in the
middle, drill a smaller hole first and then the bigger hole next. IF
you get the hole off-center you will have problems. There are
step-studs available if you have to drill oversize, (8mm on one
side, and 10 mm on other side) or you could use a helicoil (if you
need to drill larger hole.)
         Yancey

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Re: Afternoon Sean !

Yancey wrote:
>
>  Hi Sean,
>   Went and checked my taps just to make sure, cat ate
my
> sandwich while I was gone, thank you Sean! Seems the correct size
> for exhaust studs haven't changed since this morning... still 8X1.25
> m.m.
> I liked your advice on welding a nut on and screwing the stud out.
> The only thing I can add is: Make DAMN SURE that if you have to
> drill and retap, that you centerpunch the stud EXACTLY in the
> middle, drill a smaller hole first and then the bigger hole next. IF
> you get the hole off-center you will have problems. There are
> step-studs available if you have to drill oversize, (8mm on one
> side, and 10 mm on other side) or you could use a helicoil (if you
> need to drill larger hole.)
>         Yancey
>

Gentlemen, centered on the stud for sure! I have a neat little jig
that lets me center on a stud as long as I have a little nub to work
with. A flush break is more difficult to work with and requires
great care. Plus, as you've suggested, I always drill an undersized
hole first. At least I didn't have to look far to find a set of
studs. One of my older Yamaha motorcycles used the same size and I
have at least a dozen on hand.

Sean, I did try your suggestion of MIG welding a nut on to the stud
stub. I also put a marking across the end of the stud. Using that as
a basis, I was twisting the length of the stud without turning the
portion within the head. So now it looks like drill time for both
studs. Or I suppose I can always take the easy way out, remove and
toss the SP heads and replace them with DP heads. Hmmm? Naw! Where's
the challenge with that?

Thanks again for your help,

Gerry Cullan

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Re: Afternoon Sean !

GMCullan wrote:
>
> Yancey wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Sean,
>>   Went and checked my taps just to make sure, cat ate
> my
>> sandwich while I was gone, thank you Sean! Seems the correct size
>> for exhaust studs haven't changed since this morning... still 8X1.25
>> m.m.
>> I liked your advice on welding a nut on and screwing the stud out.
>> The only thing I can add is: Make DAMN SURE that if you have to
>> drill and retap, that you centerpunch the stud EXACTLY in the
>> middle, drill a smaller hole first and then the bigger hole next. IF
>> you get the hole off-center you will have problems. There are
>> step-studs available if you have to drill oversize, (8mm on one
>> side, and 10 mm on other side) or you could use a helicoil (if you
>> need to drill larger hole.)
>>         Yancey
>>
>
> Gentlemen, centered on the stud for sure! I have a neat little jig
> that lets me center on a stud as long as I have a little nub to work
> with. A flush break is more difficult to work with and requires
> great care. Plus, as you've suggested, I always drill an undersized
> hole first. At least I didn't have to look far to find a set of
> studs. One of my older Yamaha motorcycles used the same size and I
> have at least a dozen on hand.
>
> Sean, I did try your suggestion of MIG welding a nut on to the stud
> stub. I also put a marking across the end of the stud. Using that as
> a basis, I was twisting the length of the stud without turning the
> portion within the head. So now it looks like drill time for both
> studs. Or I suppose I can always take the easy way out, remove and
> toss the SP heads and replace them with DP heads. Hmmm? Naw! Where's
> the challenge with that?
>
> Thanks again for your help,
>
> Gerry Cullan
>
Gerry,
Don't bother trying the easy out method. And don't bother with
helicoil. Blind holes are the worst to retap, I am betting on you
replacing the heads. I tried this not too long ago although the
heads weren't any good to begin with. Good luck.
-Anthony

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Re: Afternoon Sean !

Anthony wrote:
>
> GMCullan wrote:
>>
>> Yancey wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Sean,
>>>   Went and checked my taps just to make sure, cat ate
>> my
>>> sandwich while I was gone, thank you Sean! Seems the correct size
>>> for exhaust studs haven't changed since this morning... still 8X1.25
>>> m.m.
>>> I liked your advice on welding a nut on and screwing the stud out.
>>> The only thing I can add is: Make DAMN SURE that if you have to
>>> drill and retap, that you centerpunch the stud EXACTLY in the
>>> middle, drill a smaller hole first and then the bigger hole next. IF
>>> you get the hole off-center you will have problems. There are
>>> step-studs available if you have to drill oversize, (8mm on one
>>> side, and 10 mm on other side) or you could use a helicoil (if you
>>> need to drill larger hole.)
>>>         Yancey
>>>
>>
>> Gentlemen, centered on the stud for sure! I have a neat little jig
>> that lets me center on a stud as long as I have a little nub to work
>> with. A flush break is more difficult to work with and requires
>> great care. Plus, as you've suggested, I always drill an undersized
>> hole first. At least I didn't have to look far to find a set of
>> studs. One of my older Yamaha motorcycles used the same size and I
>> have at least a dozen on hand.
>>
>> Sean, I did try your suggestion of MIG welding a nut on to the stud
>> stub. I also put a marking across the end of the stud. Using that as
>> a basis, I was twisting the length of the stud without turning the
>> portion within the head. So now it looks like drill time for both
>> studs. Or I suppose I can always take the easy way out, remove and
>> toss the SP heads and replace them with DP heads. Hmmm? Naw! Where's
>> the challenge with that?
>>
>> Thanks again for your help,
>>
>> Gerry Cullan
>>
> Gerry,
> Don't bother trying the easy out method. And don't bother with
> helicoil. Blind holes are the worst to retap, I am betting on you
> replacing the heads. I tried this not too long ago although the
> heads weren't any good to begin with. Good luck.
> -Anthony
>

Hi Anthony,

Except for the two studs, the heads are in very good condition. I
have no idea as to the mileage of this motor, but the pumping
compression is near the top of the range, leakdown is very low, and
it uses little to no oil between changes. It also starts right up,
idles well, and provides excellent "spunk"for the car.

Drilling and tapping studs out is nothing new for me, even working
with blind holes. I center drill the stud (using a positive depth
stop so that I don't over-drill) until I'm just touching the threads
in the head. They I chase the old threads out with the correct sized
tap.

Yancey and Sean provided the information I needed, i.e., stud size.
The rest is just drill (very carefully) and tap the threads.

And to tell the truth, earlier this winter I was so paraniod about
the prospect of welding a new front tranny mounting bracket to my
pan. I bet I used the better part of a two pound spool of welding
wire practicing. But when I finally got under the car to do the
weld, it was almost anti-climatic. It took me longer to clean and
prepare the welding area than to run the actual weld. In retrospect,
I should worry more about drilling and tapping out busted studs than
welding. But I've done studs for years. Learned from a friend that
builds NHRA V8's for the various "gas" classes. He wanted to teach
me welding, too. But I shied away. I'm sorry I did, for it is
relatively easy, great fun, and very satisfying. I'm already looking
for more welding projects. You know the feeling, new toy and just
gotta' play!

Best regards to all,

Gerry Cullan

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Re: Afternoon Sean !

Yancey wrote:
>
>  Hi Sean,
>   Went and checked my taps just to make sure, cat ate
my
> sandwich while I was gone, thank you Sean! Seems the correct size
> for exhaust studs haven't changed since this morning... still 8X1.25
> m.m.
> I liked your advice on welding a nut on and screwing the stud out.
> The only thing I can add is: Make DAMN SURE that if you have to
> drill and retap, that you centerpunch the stud EXACTLY in the
> middle, drill a smaller hole first and then the bigger hole next. IF
> you get the hole off-center you will have problems. There are
> step-studs available if you have to drill oversize, (8mm on one
> side, and 10 mm on other side) or you could use a helicoil (if you
> need to drill larger hole.)
>         Yancey
>>>>>>>> FROM Sean ; like ive said in the past ? I work on more than
just bugg,s ? It really come,s down too it being the tapp with the
yellow paint on it ? as too wich size it is ? I try ta keep um all
the color of the rainbow spectrum but over time i have a few that
are primerd color,s for chevy,s ? Course ya have ta consider the
brand name on the tooling when using a color code system ? LMAO
reason i dont heli coil on buggy,s is ive been told that the
magnesium doesnt like too adhere too the coil ? << Wether true or
not ? But was told stepp studding is preferable ? Not quite sure
what ya did with the welding the nutt thing ? I just glue a nutt too
the on a flush break ? Stick a weld inside the thread,s ? Lett weld
cool then break busted stud loose ? then lett it completely cool
before turning it out ? <<, Best way ive found ta do it yett as most
exhaust stud,s break off flush too the head or leave a small nub ?
Course ifn ya bust an easy out in it ? << Leaves nice nubb too weld
too ? Year,s back i worked in a huge High performance shop Doin
Dually conversion,s Runnin boards and El rancho suspension,s
specializeing it manufacture of Wenches for bumper,s of 4 wheel
drives . Maybe some one here is famaliar with the Dessert Dynamic,s
Wenche But any how done some considerable amount of retapping in my
time . Tipp ; on this is just 1 pass with drill bit as straight as
ya can gett it free hand or preferably with a drill press ? And
right size bitt ? Ive also used a Drill doctor considerably ? <<
Lust after one for myself ? This tool was invaluable and paid for
itself when my employer had me sett up 3 new flat bed service
truck,s with compressor,s , generator,s welder,s etc. Drill doctor,s
are great ? reccomend this tool highly ? Sean