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Topic: air in master cylinder????

Please disregard my last post because I have definitely traced all
the wires going in and out of my master cylinder. the lines going
in have power, and i have directly put power into the lines going
out and the brake light work fine. i have just paid $10.00 for 2
brand new brake light switches and installed BOTH of them...but my
brake lights still do not work do not work do not work!!!!!! could
there be a pocket of air in the master cylinder that's keeping these
switches from operating properly??? if so, how can i get the air out
(besides bleeding all the brake lines)??? Could I have
"over-tightened" the switches when I screwed them in (and
potentially froze something inside)? Finally, can someone tell me
if they've also run into the problem of 2 new switches that don't
work??? thanks.

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Re: air in master cylinder????

Kasey: Yes, if you have a bubble of air trapped in front of the
working end of your switch, the air will compress but you will not
have enough pressure exerted to hydraulically move the switch
diaphragm. Overtightening is possible but usually results in
stripped threads and leaks, not inoperative switches. Also, no
teflon thread or pipe compound should be used because it can
interfere with a good ground for the switches.

I have changed master cylinders for over 25 year on bugs and have
never done what I'm about to suggest: bench bleeding. In this
procedure, the MC is held in place in a vice and brake fluid is
dripped into the MC with a toothpick, one drop at a time, then the
switches are installed. Someone who has actually done this can give
you more specifics and details but that is the basic idea.

As for brake bleeding, it's not that complicated of a task, and is
highly recommended (and absolutely necessary if you remove the MC).
So now you've filled the MC as full as you can get it on the bench,
you've filled the switch ports with fluid and installed the
switches, and you've reinstalled the MC. Now get a helper and go to
it. The fluid reservoir should be full and care given that it
doesn't run dry. Start at the right rear wheel; put a small wrench
(7 or 8 mm?) on the bleeder; put a short piece of plastic tubing on
the bleeder, and the other end into a jar filled with a little
fluid...this is so air is not drawn back into the brake lines; Have
your friend pump the brakes and hold them down; crack the bleeder
open and watch the fluid be forced out, then tighten the bleeder. Do
you see bubbles? Repeat until you don't see bubbles. Tighten the
bleeder (not too hard, or it will strip right off). Now go up and
check the fluid level in the reservoir. Repeat process for left rear
then right front, then left front CHECK fluid level after each whee!
Get used to this process; it should be repeated (completely flushing
the old brake fluid out) every couple of years or so. Failure to do
this results in moisture collecting in the system (brake fluid is
hygroscopic..i.e. it loves water) and causes pitting and other
corrosion to occur. If this seem like too much to tackle, go to one
of the major national repair shops (but NOT to Brakes Plus if you
want my opinion) and ask them to bleed the system for you. Good
luck. And you have checked the fuses and the bulbs? Clancy


kasey wrote:
>
> Please disregard my last post because I have definitely traced all
> the wires going in and out of my master cylinder. the lines going
> in have power, and i have directly put power into the lines going
> out and the brake light work fine. i have just paid $10.00 for 2
> brand new brake light switches and installed BOTH of them...but my
> brake lights still do not work do not work do not work!!!!!! could
> there be a pocket of air in the master cylinder that's keeping these
> switches from operating properly??? if so, how can i get the air out
> (besides bleeding all the brake lines)??? Could I have
> "over-tightened" the switches when I screwed them in (and
> potentially froze something inside)? Finally, can someone tell me
> if they've also run into the problem of 2 new switches that don't
> work??? thanks.
>

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Re: air in master cylinder????

kasey wrote:
>
> Please disregard my last post because I have definitely traced all
> the wires going in and out of my master cylinder. the lines going
> in have power, and i have directly put power into the lines going
> out and the brake light work fine. i have just paid $10.00 for 2
> brand new brake light switches and installed BOTH of them...but my
> brake lights still do not work do not work do not work!!!!!! could
> there be a pocket of air in the master cylinder that's keeping these
> switches from operating properly??? if so, how can i get the air out
> (besides bleeding all the brake lines)??? Could I have
> "over-tightened" the switches when I screwed them in (and
> potentially froze something inside)? Finally, can someone tell me
> if they've also run into the problem of 2 new switches that don't
> work??? thanks.
>

The only way to get the air out is to bleed the lines. It's not that
bad, just do it. I don't think that air in the lines could cause
your brake light problems, though...

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Re: air in master cylinder????

kasey: I mis-stated part of the bench bleed process: the brake SWITCH
is actually filled with fluid using the toothpick one drop at a
time. This evacuates that little bubble of air I was referring
to....sorry for the mental slip....like I said, I've never had to do
it. Clancy

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Re: air in master cylinder????

Clancy wrote: thanks for the help, clancy. midas says they'll bleed
my brakes for $28.00, but I'll call around to see if i can get it
done cheaper. just wondering though, have you EVER heard about
replacing a brake light switch and the residual air pocket keeping
the switch from working? I seem to recall replacing the switches on
my last bug, fluid leaked out (of course), but sitting overnight the
air "magically dissapeared" and the brakes (and brake lights) worked
just as before. thanks again, wish i had known about filling those
dumb switches with brake fluid (good idea)
>
> kasey: I mis-stated part of the bench bleed process: the brake
SWITCH
> is actually filled with fluid using the toothpick one drop at a
> time. This evacuates that little bubble of air I was referring
> to....sorry for the mental slip....like I said, I've never had to do
> it. Clancy
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