NEW BEATLES ARE LEMONS

JOHN KERRIGAN wrote:
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> I OWN A 1998 BUG IT BURNS A QUART OF OIL EVERY 1K MILES VW CUSTOMER
> SERVICE SAYS THIS IS NORMAL THE CAR HOLDS 4.2 QUARTS OF OIL VW
> RECOMENDS TO CHANGE THE OIL EVERY 5K MILES THE ONLY PROBLEM YOU RUN
> OUT OF OIL FIRST ANY ONE WITH A SIMULAR PROBLEM PLEASE EMAIL PS DO
> NOT BUY A NEW BUG
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>
Actually, it's perfectly normal for an internal combustion engine to
"consume" oil even when it is in perfect mechanical condition. The
difference between consuming and burning oil is that with oil
burning you get this lovely blue-coloured smoke from your exhaust
(which I'll bet you aren't getting on your NB). One quart per 1K
miles is about the average. You shouldn't have to worry about
running out of oil prior to your next scheduled oil change since you
are supposed to check your oil level frequently and top off as
necessary. If you can't handle the chore of checking and topping
off your oil then I suggest you sell your car to somebody that will
actually take care of it. One last thing, please refrain from
typing in all caps... it is taken the same way as you screaming and
is considered quite rude.

Dylan

DB Smith wrote:
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> Dylan wrote:
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>> JOHN KERRIGAN wrote:
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>>> I OWN A 1998 BUG IT BURNS A QUART OF OIL EVERY 1K MILES VW CUSTOMER
>>> SERVICE SAYS THIS IS NORMAL THE CAR HOLDS 4.2 QUARTS OF OIL VW
>>> RECOMENDS TO CHANGE THE OIL EVERY 5K MILES THE ONLY PROBLEM YOU RUN
>>> OUT OF OIL FIRST ANY ONE WITH A SIMULAR PROBLEM PLEASE EMAIL PS DO
>>> NOT BUY A NEW BUG
>>>
>>>
>> Actually, it's perfectly normal for an internal combustion engine to
>> "consume" oil even when it is in perfect mechanical condition. The
>> difference between consuming and burning oil is that with oil
>> burning you get this lovely blue-coloured smoke from your exhaust
>> (which I'll bet you aren't getting on your NB). One quart per 1K
>> miles is about the average. You shouldn't have to worry about
>> running out of oil prior to your next scheduled oil change since you
>> are supposed to check your oil level frequently and top off as
>> necessary. If you can't handle the chore of checking and topping
>> off your oil then I suggest you sell your car to somebody that will
>> actually take care of it. One last thing, please refrain from
>> typing in all caps... it is taken the same way as you screaming and
>> is considered quite rude.
>>
>> Dylan
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>
> B E E T L E...a Beatle is a musician.
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Not to dtrast from the previous statement (caps are rude, by the way)
but 1 qt/1k miles is nuts. My Nissan has 140k miles on it and
consumes zero oil. Doesn't burn it, doesn't consume it. My newer
Chevy with 32k doesn't use or burn ANY oil either. Exactly on the
full mark every time we check it. To use that much oil there is
probably a flwn in engine design that VW finds too expensive for
them to fix. I gaurentee that if the engine blows they won't sayy a
wod about how the engine is "supposed" to consume oil. My Bug burns
a third of tha and it's way overdue for a rebuild.
JCP

My experience.....new doesn't automatically equate to better! I know
a guy with a new VW van getting 8-9mpg and the dealer says it's
normal.

Experience is sometimes hard earned,

In evaluating the oil consumption there are only three or possibly
four or five reasons for the need to add more at such a high rate.

1. It leaked out.
2. It is getting past the piston rings and going out the tail pipe
via              blue smoke.
3.It burning it in the cylinder and not smoking. Hmmmmm.......
4. It vaporized. Don't ask.....
5. The neighbor boy is stealing it, draining it a quart at a time to
keep          his '66 Mustang going.

I agree that any car that sucks this much petroleum based product is
a loser and a lemon.

Your action should be:
1. Search for a recall or class action suit in the works.
2, Spend as much time as you can in the customer service line and
showroom                     of your dealership and LOUDLY vent your
displeasure of their product, warrenty and service department and be
sure to do it in front of potential customers and buyers. They WILL
deal with you.
4. Skip the service personnel and personally contact the Manufacturer
Zone Rep, business owner and every manager.

Don't give up

gary in SF

>>  My Nissan has 140k miles on it and
>> consumes zero oil. Doesn't burn it, doesn't consume it. My newer
>> Chevy with 32k doesn't use or burn ANY oil either.
. My Bug burns
>> a third of tha and it's way overdue for a rebuild.
>> JCP
>>
>>
> Sorry for the confusion My
> sister's old 86 toyota pickup would barely use a cup of oil per 3K
> miles and it had 120K miles on the original rings/valves/etc. while
> my friend's 98 S-10 uses a quart per 1K and it only has 16K on it.
>

JOHN KERRIGAN wrote:
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> I OWN A 1998 BUG IT BURNS A QUART OF OIL EVERY 1K MILES VW CUSTOMER
> SERVICE SAYS THIS IS NORMAL THE CAR HOLDS 4.2 QUARTS OF OIL VW
> RECOMENDS TO CHANGE THE OIL EVERY 5K MILES THE ONLY PROBLEM YOU RUN
> OUT OF OIL FIRST ANY ONE WITH A SIMULAR PROBLEM PLEASE EMAIL PS DO
> NOT BUY A NEW BUG
>
>
Ok, if everyone will calm down, there is a fiew sugestions that I
would like to make.

1: Was the engine broke in properly? If it was ran even remotly hard
when it was new, that could have messed up the engine pretty bad.

2: Are you over oiling it? If you are, then oil is getting forced
around the rings, and burning out.

3: Did you try leting it just go for a whyle without adding any oil?
To see if it keeps burning off.

4: Are you using the right oil? The best for that engine is 10-30.

5-30 is too thin, and 10-40 is too harsh.

5: Are you useing synthetic oil? Synthetic oil is really bad for a
new engine, because it prevents proper break in.

6: Have you used any engine oil additives? These to are hard on new
engines.

7: Have you checked the oil preasure relief valve? Cause if the
preasure is too high, ot burns oil.

If new Beetles are lemons, then how come so many new owners love
them?

Only proving that Germans have perfected both social and mechanical
engineering. Unfortunate that those bugs are made in the U.S. with
fuckheadz like us building 'em.

float awway....

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DUMASS wrote:
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> Dylan wrote:
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>> JOHN KERRIGAN wrote:
>>>
>>> I OWN A 1998 BUG IT BURNS A QUART OF OIL EVERY 1K MILES VW CUSTOMER
>>> SERVICE SAYS THIS IS NORMAL THE CAR HOLDS 4.2 QUARTS OF OIL VW
>>> RECOMENDS TO CHANGE THE OIL EVERY 5K MILES THE ONLY PROBLEM YOU RUN
>>> OUT OF OIL FIRST ANY ONE WITH A SIMULAR PROBLEM PLEASE EMAIL PS DO
>>> NOT BUY A NEW BUG
>>>
>>>
>> Actually, it's perfectly normal for an internal combustion engine to
>> "consume" oil even when it is in perfect mechanical condition. The
>> difference between consuming and burning oil is that with oil
>> burning you get this lovely blue-coloured smoke from your exhaust
>> (which I'll bet you aren't getting on your NB). One quart per 1K
>> miles is about the average. You shouldn't have to worry about
>> running out of oil prior to your next scheduled oil change since you
>> are supposed to check your oil level frequently and top off as
>> necessary. If you can't handle the chore of checking and topping
>> off your oil then I suggest you sell your car to somebody that will
>> actually take care of it. One last thing, please refrain from
>> typing in all caps... it is taken the same way as you screaming and
>> is considered quite rude.
>>
>> Dylan
>>
> HEY DICK HEAD DYLAN,
>
> BURNING 1QRT OF OIL IS NOT FUCKING NORMAL, NORMAL IF YOU CAR IS
USING
> IT, CHECK AROUND TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T OWN VW THEY DON'T BURN
> OIL.IDIOT
>

New Beetles might not be Lemons but they sure give a great impression
of being one. I would assume a Lemon is a rare occurance however,
these bugs including mine have ongoing and long-term chronic
problems. Engine oil being one of them. My engine now knocks and
the window regulators are all faulty. Not to mention the o2 and
other sensors that were replaced at great expense.(this is just a
small list) This car is garbage and VW doesn't give a damn because
there are so many of us unhappy suckers out there who fell for this
cute car. I am disappointed, pissed off and feel quite robbed for
forking out hard-earned money for this piece of crap. We seem to be
all screwed because at this point we are all off warranty so thanks
VW for abandoning all of your loyal customers. This is the 11th and
last VW anyone in my family will buy. I will work hard and do my
homework to buy a real car with a good service record and good
manufactuere/customer care.(all of which I don't get from VW) Good
luck with your cars. I would be more than happy to participate in
any class action that I would highly suggest someone start. these
cars are ridiculous and we have all been had. Stay away if you are
thinking of buying unless you wish to admire it in your driveway.

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