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Topic: Autostick

Hey. Heres the deal. Ive got a autostick 73' beetle. Ive just
finished getting things done as far as getting it running, all your
basic things,its really on its way. Like other Vw enthusiasts im
always looking for ways to improve performance and speed . Although
many disagree im perfectly happy with the autostick. I would like to
make my improvements without changing over to the standard shift. I
was thinking about a lot of different possibilities, concerning
1641's, 1688's, better carburation,exhaust systems, etc. Im not
really sure what an autostick can handle without causing damage to
any of its components.Also i was wondering what would be involved
with changing to an alternater with greater amperage output
(110amps). How does it work whats involved in this installation will
it cause a problem with a stock fan ? Different pulleys, electrical
system problems . Im not really familiar with the works of those
alternators. etc. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
concerning both the enhancements.Thanks.

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Re: Autostick

what would be involved
> with changing to an alternater with greater amperage output
> (110amps). How does it work whats involved in this installation will
> it cause a problem with a stock fan ? Different pulleys, electrical
> system problems . Im not really familiar with the works of those
> alternators. etc. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> concerning both the enhancements.Thanks.
>
Hey Corrado, I've owned and driven 1000's of miles on 3 autostick
vw's (currently I have a 70 Ghia with one) and have found them to be
hated by most bug collectors, why i don't know. Possibly ignorance
about them specifically, but maybe just loving their clutch and it's
crisper control on the cars takeoff (if they've ever even had any
experience with a properly functioning "Auto-suck", as I've heard
them call it.)
Keep your autostick operating properly (sometimes difficult and
little info or experience available)and you will remain happy with
it's performance and gas mileage (I've gotten 40 mpg on a long trip
in my old '69 Bug) You need a good Bentley manual for the most
detailed technical procedures to adjust everything properly and keep
it maintained. The unit contains a (wet)hydraulic torque
converter(just like any other fully automatic transmission) with a
special two-sided engine oil/ trans oil pump in the stock engine-oil
pump location and external lines and hoses to and from the reservoir
under the right rear fender and the transaxle. The transaxle also
has a (dry) clutch for gear changes controlled by a vacuum servo
connected to a solenoid-controlled vacuum valve wired to a set of
contact points in the shift lever. (If you drive with your hand on
the shifter all the time you will probably accidentally actuate the
clutch resulting in either jerky movement or no movement at all!)
This is a fairly standard 180 mm bug clutch disc with a special
(translation;rare and expensive)pressure plate that sends the torque
converter's rotation to the gear mainshaft. This relatively small
clutch will limit the horsepower that will transmit through it
without slippage to under about 75 horses. It's a good idea to use
the 87mm big bore slip-in piston/ cylinders (1641cc) or if you
really can spend the money, machine-in 90.5's for 1776cc's. Due to
the vacuum requirements for the servo to actuate properly, I don't
recommend that you modify the stroke, heads, rockers, valves, cam,
intake manifold and carb beyond thier stock configuration, but
definitely put an aftermarket header and single- or dual- quiet-pack
muffler(re-jetting the carb to suit the increased cc's and header
though.......)and I believe that you will have what you are looking
for in the way of better power and good performance without
destroying the driveability and gas mileage of your car. If you
don't feel happy with this slightly higher level of power, then you
will be forced to convert your car to a manual transmission with a
200 mm clutch to get up to 100 hp (or more!)to last. Also, in my
engine-building experience, I do not recommend the 88mm
(1688)slip-ins that you mentioned (if you can even find any!),
because the cyl. walls are too thin and warp,overheat, burn oil,
lose power, etc. in daily-driver use. This same thing occurs with
94mm (1915cc) big bores also. Even the 92mm's (1835cc) aren't the
greatest in this respect either. I don't think that you can get 110
amps out of any alternator that will fit into a bug's stock
location, but I remember seeing an ad for a high-output alternator
in one of the magazines. I did know a guy that mounted a chevy-type
100amp alt. in addition to the stock one using custom made mounts
and a very long fanbelt around the three pulleys. He probably just
didn't wire in the stock one and only used it to fill the gap and
drive the fan. Hope I've helped you, good luck.

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Re: Autostick

Hey Corrado, I've owned and driven 1000's of miles on 3 autostick
vw's (currently I have a 70 Ghia with one) and have found them to be
hated by most bug collectors, why i don't know. Possibly ignorance
about them specifically, but maybe just loving their clutch and it's
crisper control on the cars takeoff (if they've ever even had any
experience with a properly functioning "Auto-suck", as I've heard
them call it.)
Keep your autostick operating properly (sometimes difficult and
little info or experience available)and you will remain happy with
it's performance and gas mileage (I've gotten 40 mpg on a long trip
in my old '69 Bug) You need a good Bentley manual for the most
detailed technical procedures to adjust everything properly and keep
it maintained. The unit contains a (wet)hydraulic torque
converter(just like any other fully automatic transmission) with a
special two-sided engine oil/ trans oil pump in the stock engine-oil
pump location and external lines and hoses to and from the reservoir
under the right rear fender and the transaxle. The transaxle also
has a (dry) clutch for gear changes controlled by a vacuum servo
connected to a solenoid-controlled vacuum valve wired to a set of
contact points in the shift lever. (If you drive with your hand on
the shifter all the time you will probably accidentally actuate the
clutch resulting in either jerky movement or no movement at all!)
This is a fairly standard 180 mm bug clutch disc with a special
(translation;rare and expensive)pressure plate that sends the torque
converter's rotation to the gear mainshaft. This relatively small
clutch will limit the horsepower that will transmit through it
without slippage to under about 75 horses. It's a good idea to use
the 87mm big bore slip-in piston/ cylinders (1641cc) or if you
really can spend the money, machine-in 90.5's for 1776cc's. Due to
the vacuum requirements for the servo to actuate properly, I don't
recommend that you modify the stroke, heads, rockers, valves, cam,
intake manifold and carb beyond thier stock configuration, but
definitely put an aftermarket header and single- or dual- quiet-pack
muffler(re-jetting the carb to suit the increased cc's and header
though.......)and I believe that you will have what you are looking
for in the way of better power and good performance without
destroying the driveability and gas mileage of your car. If you
don't feel happy with this slightly higher level of power, then you
will be forced to convert your car to a manual transmission (and a
regular oil pump!) with a 200 mm clutch to get up to 100 hp (or
more!)to last. Also, in my engine-building experience, I do not
recommend the 88mm (1688)slip-ins that you mentioned (if you can
even find any!), because the cyl. walls are too thin and
warp,overheat, burn oil, lose power, etc. in daily-driver use. This
same thing occurs with 94mm (1915cc) big bores also. Even the
92mm's (1835cc) aren't the greatest in this respect either. I don't
think that you can get 110 amps out of any alternator that will fit
into a bug's stock location, but I remember seeing an ad for a
high-output alternator in one of the magazines. I did know a guy
that mounted a chevy-type 100amp alt. in addition to the stock one
using custom made mounts and a very long fanbelt around the three
pulleys. He probably just didn't wire in the stock one and only used
it to fill the gap and drive the fan. Hope I've helped you, good
luck.

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Re: Autostick

I also have an autostick and it works very well for me. the problem
with bumping up the engine is the clutch in the auto stick is very
small. it and the torque converter will not tolerate much additional
torque. Slight mods like a progressive carb or 88 mm pistons would
probably be OK, but a larger motor with high performance heads cam
etc will toast the clutch and torque converter. the autostick is
best left basically stock IMHO

Corrado wrote:
>
> Hey. Heres the deal. Ive got a autostick 73' beetle. Ive just
> finished getting things done as far as getting it running, all your
> basic things,its really on its way. Like other Vw enthusiasts im
> always looking for ways to improve performance and speed . Although
> many disagree im perfectly happy with the autostick. I would like to
> make my improvements without changing over to the standard shift. I
> was thinking about a lot of different possibilities, concerning
> 1641's, 1688's, better carburation,exhaust systems, etc. Im not
> really sure what an autostick can handle without causing damage to
> any of its components.Also i was wondering what would be involved
> with changing to an alternater with greater amperage output
> (110amps). How does it work whats involved in this installation will
> it cause a problem with a stock fan ? Different pulleys, electrical
> system problems . Im not really familiar with the works of those
> alternators. etc. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
> concerning both the enhancements.Thanks.
>

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Re: Autostick

VWMike wrote:
>
> Hey Corrado, I've owned and driven 1000's of miles on 3 autostick
> vw's (currently I have a 70 Ghia with one) and have found them to be
> hated by most bug collectors, why i don't know. Possibly ignorance
> about them specifically, but maybe just loving their clutch and it's
> crisper control on the cars takeoff (if they've ever even had any
> experience with a properly functioning "Auto-suck", as I've heard
> them call it.)
> Keep your autostick operating properly (sometimes difficult and
> little info or experience available)and you will remain happy with
> it's performance and gas mileage (I've gotten 40 mpg on a long trip
> in my old '69 Bug) You need a good Bentley manual for the most
> detailed technical procedures to adjust everything properly and keep
> it maintained. The unit contains a (wet)hydraulic torque
> converter(just like any other fully automatic transmission) with a
> special two-sided engine oil/ trans oil pump in the stock engine-oil
> pump location and external lines and hoses to and from the reservoir
> under the right rear fender and the transaxle. The transaxle also
> has a (dry) clutch for gear changes controlled by a vacuum servo
> connected to a solenoid-controlled vacuum valve wired to a set of
> contact points in the shift lever. (If you drive with your hand on
> the shifter all the time you will probably accidentally actuate the
> clutch resulting in either jerky movement or no movement at all!)
> This is a fairly standard 180 mm bug clutch disc with a special
> (translation;rare and expensive)pressure plate that sends the torque
> converter's rotation to the gear mainshaft. This relatively small
> clutch will limit the horsepower that will transmit through it
> without slippage to under about 75 horses. It's a good idea to use
> the 87mm big bore slip-in piston/ cylinders (1641cc) or if you
> really can spend the money, machine-in 90.5's for 1776cc's. Due to
> the vacuum requirements for the servo to actuate properly, I don't
> recommend that you modify the stroke, heads, rockers, valves, cam,
> intake manifold and carb beyond thier stock configuration, but
> definitely put an aftermarket header and single- or dual- quiet-pack
> muffler(re-jetting the carb to suit the increased cc's and header
> though.......)and I believe that you will have what you are looking
> for in the way of better power and good performance without
> destroying the driveability and gas mileage of your car. If you
> don't feel happy with this slightly higher level of power, then you
> will be forced to convert your car to a manual transmission (and a
> regular oil pump!) with a 200 mm clutch to get up to 100 hp (or
> more!)to last. Also, in my engine-building experience, I do not
> recommend the 88mm (1688)slip-ins that you mentioned (if you can
> even find any!), because the cyl. walls are too thin and
> warp,overheat, burn oil, lose power, etc. in daily-driver use. This
> same thing occurs with 94mm (1915cc) big bores also. Even the
> 92mm's (1835cc) aren't the greatest in this respect either. I don't
> think that you can get 110 amps out of any alternator that will fit
> into a bug's stock location, but I remember seeing an ad for a
> high-output alternator in one of the magazines. I did know a guy
> that mounted a chevy-type 100amp alt. in addition to the stock one
> using custom made mounts and a very long fanbelt around the three
> pulleys. He probably just didn't wire in the stock one and only used
> it to fill the gap and drive the fan. Hope I've helped you, good
> luck.


I just had my Autostick and the torque converter rebuilt or at least
the sate they rebuilt it. I installed the tranny and the tranny
makes a grinding type noise when it's in gear and the vehicle doen't
move. If you put the car on a lift and operate it, it works with no
grinding, it only seems to grind when a load is on the car. I
removed the torque converter and the twi inner spines seem to move
around quite a bit about 1/4 or maybe even 5/16 of an inch of slop,
is that normal? Please help with any guidance.
>

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Re: Autostick

Autostick Clutch Experts --
I have the clutch out of my 69 autostick. Changed the disc.
Everything looks good. I'm nervous about putting it all back
together as I don't get how the clutch disengages. Looks like when
the lever moves the release bearing pulls up on the spines of the
pressure plate [is this correct?] But then what? Can anyone explain?
Is there any way to test that its disengaging before I put it back
together? All explainations appreciated!



Christopher Green wrote:
>
> VWMike wrote:
>>
>> Hey Corrado, I've owned and driven 1000's of miles on 3 autostick
>> vw's (currently I have a 70 Ghia with one) and have found them to be
>> hated by most bug collectors, why i don't know. Possibly ignorance
>> about them specifically, but maybe just loving their clutch and it's
>> crisper control on the cars takeoff (if they've ever even had any
>> experience with a properly functioning "Auto-suck", as I've heard
>> them call it.)
>> Keep your autostick operating properly (sometimes difficult and
>> little info or experience available)and you will remain happy with
>> it's performance and gas mileage (I've gotten 40 mpg on a long trip
>> in my old '69 Bug) You need a good Bentley manual for the most
>> detailed technical procedures to adjust everything properly and keep
>> it maintained. The unit contains a (wet)hydraulic torque
>> converter(just like any other fully automatic transmission) with a
>> special two-sided engine oil/ trans oil pump in the stock engine-oil
>> pump location and external lines and hoses to and from the reservoir
>> under the right rear fender and the transaxle. The transaxle also
>> has a (dry) clutch for gear changes controlled by a vacuum servo
>> connected to a solenoid-controlled vacuum valve wired to a set of
>> contact points in the shift lever. (If you drive with your hand on
>> the shifter all the time you will probably accidentally actuate the
>> clutch resulting in either jerky movement or no movement at all!)
>> This is a fairly standard 180 mm bug clutch disc with a special
>> (translation;rare and expensive)pressure plate that sends the torque
>> converter's rotation to the gear mainshaft. This relatively small
>> clutch will limit the horsepower that will transmit through it
>> without slippage to under about 75 horses. It's a good idea to use
>> the 87mm big bore slip-in piston/ cylinders (1641cc) or if you
>> really can spend the money, machine-in 90.5's for 1776cc's. Due to
>> the vacuum requirements for the servo to actuate properly, I don't
>> recommend that you modify the stroke, heads, rockers, valves, cam,
>> intake manifold and carb beyond thier stock configuration, but
>> definitely put an aftermarket header and single- or dual- quiet-pack
>> muffler(re-jetting the carb to suit the increased cc's and header
>> though.......)and I believe that you will have what you are looking
>> for in the way of better power and good performance without
>> destroying the driveability and gas mileage of your car. If you
>> don't feel happy with this slightly higher level of power, then you
>> will be forced to convert your car to a manual transmission (and a
>> regular oil pump!) with a 200 mm clutch to get up to 100 hp (or
>> more!)to last. Also, in my engine-building experience, I do not
>> recommend the 88mm (1688)slip-ins that you mentioned (if you can
>> even find any!), because the cyl. walls are too thin and
>> warp,overheat, burn oil, lose power, etc. in daily-driver use. This
>> same thing occurs with 94mm (1915cc) big bores also. Even the
>> 92mm's (1835cc) aren't the greatest in this respect either. I don't
>> think that you can get 110 amps out of any alternator that will fit
>> into a bug's stock location, but I remember seeing an ad for a
>> high-output alternator in one of the magazines. I did know a guy
>> that mounted a chevy-type 100amp alt. in addition to the stock one
>> using custom made mounts and a very long fanbelt around the three
>> pulleys. He probably just didn't wire in the stock one and only used
>> it to fill the gap and drive the fan. Hope I've helped you, good
>> luck.
>
>
> I just had my Autostick and the torque converter rebuilt or at least
> the sate they rebuilt it. I installed the tranny and the tranny
> makes a grinding type noise when it's in gear and the vehicle doen't
> move. If you put the car on a lift and operate it, it works with no
> grinding, it only seems to grind when a load is on the car. I
> removed the torque converter and the twi inner spines seem to move
> around quite a bit about 1/4 or maybe even 5/16 of an inch of slop,
> is that normal? Please help with any guidance.
>>
>
>