Topic: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

OK, I keep my VW bug sort of hanging around but I don't use it very often.  In fact, from looking at my records, I haven't driven my VW for a whole year.  But it is still there in the driveway.  Its got gas in the gas tank. It has oil in the crankcase.  Its got spark plugs and everything it needs to run.  But now the time to get it inspected is coming up, So I need to make sure everything is working correctly.  So I go to start it.  I keep my battery outside of the vehicle and I keep it charged using this charger/maintainer I bought a few years ago, because I learned my lesson a long time ago that if you leave the battery in the vehicle for very long it will just run down and loose its charge.  So I put this charged up battery in the place where it goes, I hook it up to the ground strap and the other big wire.  When I turn the key to ON position, the red and green lights come on nice and bright.  I turn the key to start and I get Rrrrrr Rrrrrr Rrrrrrr Rrrrrrr.  The engine turns over again and again, vigorously since the battery is all nice and charged up.  But it won't start.  I start pumping the accelerator because this always seems to be necessary to get it to start.  Pump, pump, pump, Rrrrrr, Rrrrrr, Rrrrrrrrr.  It won't start.  Now when I get to this point in trying to start my car, I think, ok, its getting gas (I actually remove the air filter on top of the carburetor and visually sight the jet of gas being emitted as I pull the throttle lever back and forth) but its still not starting.  So it must be that there are no sparks being generated.  So in order to see if this is true, I then employ a technique I developed many years ago that every VW bug owner should really know.  But in case you don't, here it is:   I want to see if I get sparks, and if the car is running, you can do this by pulling one of the spark plug wires off of the distributor a little bit, not so far away that it can no longer jump the gap. Then you can see if there is a spark getting through.  But if your VW bug is not running, well, you want to do the equivalent of turning the ignition key to get it to go Rrrrr Rrrrr Rrrrr while you are sitting back there with the distributor.  What I do is, I take my jumper cables, I hook one clamp to where my positive wire from the battery connects into this starter-relay thing I got installed long ago to help me start the car.  And then I hook the other clamp to the side of this relay.  Once I've done that, I can activate the starter just by bringing the 2 jumper cable clamps on the other end together.  So while I have the engine turning over (Rrrrrr, Rrrrr, Rrrrrr), I pull out one of the spark plug wires from the distributor a little bit.  And I see there are no sparks.  But then I remember that I actually need to have the ignition key in the ON position when I do this, so I do that and try again.  I see sporadic and seemingly weak sparks every now and then.  So I am thinking, gee, what do I do?  Do I need a new coil?  Should I replace all the spark plugs?  Is voltage getting to the coil (I check using my VOM and it is getting a little over 5 volts).  Do I need to make sure the whole circuit that the electricity has to take to get from the positive terminal of my battery to the coil is ok (at this point I am always surprised to see what a skinny little wire is carrying the voltage to the coil)?  Like make sure all the connectors are shiny?  I keep pressing together the 2 clamps, and get Rrrrr, Rrrrrrr, Rrrrrr.  This has all gone on for about a half an hour.  Now, just for the hell of it, I pump on the throttle lever to squirt some gas into the carburetor, and the engine starts.  Wow, I got it!! It starts to slow down, but I keep it going by increasing the RPMs if it starts to stall.  Pretty soon, it is happily running.  It is running fine.  Finally, I decide to drive it around.  It runs great!!  I drive it around the neighborhood for about 3 miles.  Then I come back and park it back in the driveway where it has sat all year.  While it is still running, I pull off each spark plug wire from the distributor, one by one, to see the sparks.  They all look like nice healthy, blue sparks.  I finally turn off the engine.  I wait a few minutes.  Then I try to start it again.  Rrrrrr, Rrrrr, Rrrrrr .... sigh ...  it doesn't start.  But the battery is pretty weak at this point.  But I have had my fun and call it a day.  I bring the battery out and hook it back up to the charger/maintainer.  It has to charge for over 30 hours before it is back to full charge!  Ok, so 2 days later, I install my charged up 6V battery into my VW Bug again.  I sit in the drivers seat, I turn the ignition key, and, bam! it starts up IMMEDIATELY!  Notice that nothing is different than what I did 2 days ago, at least as far as, I didn't replace any parts or anything.  Its like, if you don't use this machine for a long time, it kind of forgets what to do, and you have to coax it into remembering what it was like to run.  But once it remembers, then, voilà, it has no problems.  It makes no sense to me in a physical/mechanical sense.  But maybe one of you VW Bug experts can explain it.

Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

It is called FM

burrhead

A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion.

Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

I have a unique method of checking for spark as well. It’s a device that emits a shrill sound if spark is present. I simply pull off the #1 spark plug wire, then remove the spark plug and insert in into the plug wire. I then call my son out to the garage and tell him “hold this while I crank the engine”.

Believe me – if there is spark, I know immediately.

JK!

Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

Doug, how many kids do you have or are they slow learners? LOL

burrhead

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Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

Oh...yeah. I forgot to mention, this method only works once, then you have to find another sucker, uh I mean "device" to use.

Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

I'm going to use that "tool"(my grandson) next time to check for spark
good one Doug

'57 bug "BlackBerry"
'58 type261 single cab "Ruf"
'86 vanagon syncro "Syncro da Dr.Mayo"
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Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

Well I've got six kids, but as soon as I use one then they'll go tell the others!

Seriously though, the one time it would not start, I hooked up a timing light and laid it on the floor where I could see it. No flash, so I swapped points before seeing the tach wire caught in the hinge spring...

Paul

Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

I have also noticed that old Vws can be self healing---until you're miles from home then they have this really bad sense of humor!

Patty B.
'69 stock bug

Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

After reading Doug's post, I am reminded of my installation of an after-market window-washer system.

My wife came out and asked if she could help since I couldn't be in the cab and under the hood at the same time, and I said "sure"... she came over, and I handed her the unattached wire, completely insulated except for the ends.

I went back to the cab and sat down... turned the key on... flipped the switch for the washer. My wife yells...

"What happened?!?!" I say, to which she explains that she got shocked... I look down to see her holding the exposed ends instead of the insulation...

(Don't ever assume someone knows. LOL)

Last edited by emeeder (2010-08-09 03:29:09)

Eric - '68 "Herbie" 1835cc (O\(53)/O)
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Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

I always heard womenfolk were more sensitive but 12 volts? shock? You sure you weren't trying something else, like 110 wiring?            just wondering....................................................

burrhead

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Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

not sure if this will help you , but may help othere ...I fin that if you leave the BAT in and keep charged then the thing will start and run like you parked it ........even for years

Michael

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Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

I'm embellishing a tad, burr... but she definitely yelled. I now laugh, but at the time she wasn't amused. LOL

Eric - '68 "Herbie" 1835cc (O\(53)/O)
GO BUCKS !!!!!!

Re: Are VW Bugs mystical magical?

Still don't get how you get a shock of 12 volts or maybe I'm immune from it.
Hasn't hurt me a bit

burrhead

A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion.