Topic: time for body work

I've been looking forward to this and dreading it at the same time. My '71 Super needs paint and of course some bodywork first. Not body off or anything but I have always avoided bodywork. I bought a Mig and need some practice first. Luckily all the welding is out of sight, like in the engine compartment. The charcoal can caused a big hole by trapping wet dirt. I'll be taking off all the fenders and the drivers door will be replaced. I may swap a '72 Super engine lid I have as well because it has 4 vents.

I'll be removing this engine for it's first time at 84,000 miles. I've had 20,000 trouble free miles in the last 3 1/2 years but the compression was only at 100 all around back then so it's due. It oozes oil too. Muffler has a hole but luckily the heat exchangers are still good. It's all original except I removed the throttle positioner and altitude corrector.

The worst part is I won't have an air cooled anything to drive daily while doing this and it will take me all summer. So I bought a car to drive that is the extreme opposite just to remind me why I like ACVW's. Also I will be teaching my son to drive in it.

Behold the mighty Concorde> It has power everything and the computer says it's getting 25 MPG.

http://i40.tinypic.com/23tsfaf.jpg

Sure hope I don't have to work on it!

jim

'71 SB(DD only 79K(now 84K miles) & '78 FI Westy (project)
PO of '65 Beetle in '69, '70 Crewcab & '70 Ghia in '77
'71 Super inside rear vents now available
http://www.openroad.ca/volkswebbin/view … p?id=85915

Re: time for body work

Jim,

Believe it or not I purchased a MIG welder about 7-8 years ago for a project...and I also needed to practice with it before working on the project.  I rented the Argon tank & paid the rent on it for about 4-6 months...and then I lost interest in "the project" (actually I can't even remember at the moment what it was)...and thus I never did the practice welding!  So basically I NEVER even plugged the welder in or turned it on.

Sounds like you're a bit more serious about your project (bought a car)!  Does the air-conditioning work on the Concorde?  What happens if you get used to the air conditioning during the Summer??? wink

Good luck with the body work,

- Nick

1979 Super Beetle Convertible

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Well I have a bus and a friends bus that needs welding too so I will do it. Seems like the hardest part is getting the heat and feed rate matched and welding thin metal to thick was a disaster first time I tried. Got some tips from a welder and I'll give it another go. I did use the MIG very successfully to weld nuts to stuck exhaust studs and get the stubborn things out.

I moved to the hottest, driest part of Canada and so far have only borrowed my wife's air conditioned car for short periods when it gets to 40'C.(104'F) The vehicles all love the fact that it really never rains or snows here. I've used my wipers only a few times in 10 years and never on high speed. I get the windshield washer all working and by the time I need it the air pressure has gone. So I fix it for next time and so on....

I'll be asking questions about body work soon. I expect problems like last summer when I removed the rear bumper. Broke off 4 of the 6 bolts! I will be very careful removing the fenders.

jim

'71 SB(DD only 79K(now 84K miles) & '78 FI Westy (project)
PO of '65 Beetle in '69, '70 Crewcab & '70 Ghia in '77
'71 Super inside rear vents now available
http://www.openroad.ca/volkswebbin/view … p?id=85915

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Hey James, congrats in advance on the anticipated project! Once you get the hang of welding it becomes just another thing that you do. I actually did the same thing as you: bought a welder then taught myself, but that was the rod-type welder so I did not learn anything about feed rates. I wish I had a welder now because the Ghia had the right rear fender replaced somewhere in it's life, and they did not finish welding a seam in the engine compartment. I traded my old welder for exhaust parts years ago sad

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Oh yes, I should mention that I also have avoided body work. For some reason, everything else seems easier! That's why I'd rather pull an engine than fix a door ding, lol.

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Hah! The Concorde has been assimilated! Resistance was futile.

Where do I get rid of used anti-freeze?

http://i42.tinypic.com/ivemnd.jpg

jim

'71 SB(DD only 79K(now 84K miles) & '78 FI Westy (project)
PO of '65 Beetle in '69, '70 Crewcab & '70 Ghia in '77
'71 Super inside rear vents now available
http://www.openroad.ca/volkswebbin/view … p?id=85915

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Gee, I avoid body work, too. But any major engine work as well.
Bought a little mig about 5 years ago now, only used it to *try* to repair a window regulator in the Grand Am, with some not-so-great results. It did work for about 3-4 months before the weld broke, but I think it wasn't the right metal, nor large enough, to weld to.

The original plan was to weld some sheet metal to replace what was eaten away behind the rear seat, but I never got the time. Now I'm out of practice.

I took a welding class at the local tech school, and got a job welding that only lasted a week before the guy said I was welding backwards. Truth be told, he really wasn't any better than I was at the time.

The thing is I prefer a mig rig with gas, the little one I got can't use gas (at least not directly, if you know what I mean) and getting the wire feed rate just right is a pita, and just when you get it, there is a damn misfeed or you wind up welding the tip on, etc... just so much easier on the bigger rigs...

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^^^great pic!!!

Patty B.
'69 stock bug

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Ahh body-work and Dry-wall. Things most people try to stay clear of.  Rebuliding an engine is very linear, step by step,  full the truths.  The parts are in tolerences or they are not.  The parts are clean or they are not.  Set your torque wrench and go to the "click".  Follow the steps and usually everthing works out.  Body-work is very artsy to me. like a sculpter or carver.  and this is scary to most people who like the structure of an engine rebuild.

As for welding i would stay away from the flux core Mig welders.  Gas shielded Migs are usually easier to set up for welding thinner sheet steel.  Prepping the area is very important.  Stripped of paint and any clear finnishes.  Clean clean clean. crimping the patch piece to get some backing helps.  And like everything else practice.  I like the Tig welder it is easier to control the heat.

I would like to learn how to fix warps in doors and panels.  I have seen old timers use a little heat here and a little heat there and pop goes the dent. I understand the concept of heat shrinking and heat expansion but how do you know where to start.  i would love to take a course in this skill.  I have purchased doors from junkyards to practice but i always make it worse.  But i will keep trying.  Like most of us i like to do things myself even if its crappy.

Good luck jim.
Looks like you live in Kamloops. maybe westsyde or valleyview??

Trev

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My stupid question of the day: re - mig welding.
Is it safe to weld close to the engine, with all that spatter?
I have a part on my Grand Am that requires just a couple of spot welds. Be hard to get off, and if I did, it would be harder to weld when it wasn't in place. Easier to just buy new, if I did that.
Or a couple of 'zaps' with the welder. Near the engine.

Just wondering...

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I have a gas Mig.

Trev> What exactly do you mean by crimping? Valleyview. How can you tell? It could be Afghanistan if your judging by the hills. They train troops here.

VW'71. Can you cover all around the weld area? Like a thick canvas piece with a small hole to weld through. The splatter and sparks are very hot. I found out quickly that my normal mechanics gloves were not good enough.

jim

'71 SB(DD only 79K(now 84K miles) & '78 FI Westy (project)
PO of '65 Beetle in '69, '70 Crewcab & '70 Ghia in '77
'71 Super inside rear vents now available
http://www.openroad.ca/volkswebbin/view … p?id=85915

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Not too many "British Columbia" tags in Afghanistan ;-)

1979 Type 1 Convertible                                       1976 Scirocco (For Sale!)
1971 Type 1 Semi-Automatic Super                       1968 Type 1 Sedan
1961 Type 1 Sedan
1957 Type 1 Sunroof

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old-Iffy wrote:

Body-work is very artsy to me. like a sculpter or carver.  and this is scary to most people who like the structure of an engine rebuild.

I look at it the same way. I can replace or adjust parts and tinker all day, but I would rather rebuild a carb than fix a door ding. I know what LOOKS right and can pick out body defects that most people miss, but as far as fixing them? It's an art form.

Paul