• From: City of Roses
  • Registered: 2004-03-29
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Topic: A CV Problem........

Hiya All,

I'm posting this on a couple of forums in order to get a variety of responses. 

I really need some help from somebody who has experience with Type 1 CVs. I'm having a problem in placing the CV joint back onto the halfshaft I cannot get the CV down onto the halfshaft far enough to allow me to insert the "C" shaped keeper clip into the notch on the halfshaft. What could be causing this?

A few things to know........

These are the very same CVs that came off these halfshafts. When taken apart the keeper clips were fully engaged into the notch on the halfshaft.

I am using the original dished washers in the assembly.

I have tried orienting the hub both ways just to check if I had clearance either way. It came up with inadequate clearance both ways.

The only new parts I'm using in this reassembly are the boots (which would make no difference in this problem) and the "C" shaped keeper clips. They are identical to the originals in all respects. I cannot refit the original to the notch either.

Now, I've done more than share of CVs - all of them Type 2 - and never had any kind of problem. This one really has me stumped. I sure would appreciate your advice.

Last edited by Bookwus (2008-08-19 09:41:58)

Mike

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  • From: Washington, Indiana
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Re: A CV Problem........

Mike, the cupped washer that goes on first is supposed to be cupped outward, then the cv joint and then the c clip.....sometimes you gotta use a socket on the c clip and hit it so that the cupped washer gives a little, and the c clip pops into place.....Good Luck.


                                                                                              Yancey

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  • From: City of Roses
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Re: A CV Problem........

Hiya Yancey,

First off, thanks for the speedy reply.

The dished washer is facing outwards (toward the bottom of the CV hub).  When I drive the hub into place on the halfshaft atop that washer I have maybe (I'm eyeballing this) about 2/3 of the notch exposed above the top face of the CV hub.  I have tried placing the "C" clip over the top of the halfshaft and driving it home with a socket.  So far I haven't had any luck with that approach.  I'll give it another shot with a larger socket.

Mike

1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck
  • From: City of Roses
  • Registered: 2004-03-29
  • Posts: 793

Re: A CV Problem........

Hiya Yancey,

I had (in doing this originally) tried to set the "C" clip with a socket. My problem (as I found out after thinking about the advice suppiled by you) was that my socket was just a tad too small. When I pounded the hub down I was also "trapping" the clip so that it could not spring into the exposed notch.

So.......the trick for me was to use a larger socket. That got the clip into the notch. And then I used the channel locks to set the clip and it went fully into place with a very satisfying "click".

Thanks for your help Yancey!

Mike

1970 AS Bug
1970 Bus - The Ruptured Duck
  • From: Washington, Indiana
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  • Posts: 1,423

Re: A CV Problem........

Welcome O Great one!....

                                                                                        Yancey

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Re: A CV Problem........

Thank you Yancey ! It's alway's good too feel worshipped like a V.W God when I come in here ! Few realize the Sacrafice's us all knowing V.W. Entities have to suffer , with no real appreciation of are effort's ? LMAO
  Yeah C.V. joint's arghhhh ! What I wanna know is why everytime I tear a C.V. joint apart ,my nose start's itchin ??
  When dealin with C.V.s gotta realize there turnin one way ! Therefore the wear is directional ! Now it's is best too disassemble and then re- assemble in the same direction !
  But it's also frikin impossible !
But flipp the dog in the joint ! Make sure that the raised lipp on the flatt surface of the O.D. on the joint Dog is pointed down !
  Ifn memory serve's me it goes down ! or intoo the axle ! Carefull inspection of the C.V. joint dog you will see what I mean !
  Dog refering too the inner part of the joint that slipp's on the axle !
  But realize that often the wear is extreme on joint's ! Need too be replaced ! Good sett of Low Bro's runn you 200 buck's on all 4 joint's !
  I often go thru 6 or 7 used axles to build a set of axles , and my average is probably 70% in gettin used axle's that dont Click to work !
  On used Joint's Ive had them get stuck where I couldnt get um to come apart ! This is due too wear and being re- assembled with internal part's not being installed back in the same direction location etc. << Wich is impossible , so dont waste time trying !
  I try to focus on just keeping the Dog and bearing cage goin same direction if I can and that the center peice ( Dog ) is flipped so that the raised lipp goes against the washer !
  Once assembled the joint should not be stiff ! Should slide back and forth easily ! Just thinkin about it makes my Arthritis act up !
  Use C.V. joint grease , comes in a tube or packet ! Best source Ive found for used joint's is Auto Zone ! Like 3 buck's a packet 4 packets = like 15 buck's tax included.
  If you go intoo the Stub axle and bearing's ? Realize that the 2 bearing's are different inner and an outer ! Often these get transposed , intoo there opposite posistion's ! Common mistake !
  Also on the Bearing's the number's technically need too be faceing out , so that you can read the numbers with out removeing the bearing's ! Ive found them flipped so that the numbers are too the inside of the trailing arm !
  As far as I can tell there are no real consequences to having a bearing faceing the wrong way ! More than a few time's Ive found this on car's and have opted to either replace the bearing , or re- install it the same way it came out , to get by !
  So look at the bearing's before you remove them ! There expensive 35 buck's on inners and 27 like on the outer's ! Dont drop um !
   But yeah flipp the Axle dog in the joint and try it again ! Should work !
                                                                                          Sean