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Topic: Windsheild Wiper internal elect. ???

I have 62 sedan, all 12V now, wiper motor/dash switch still 6V, with
aftermarket reostat. Dash switch verified still good (thanks to
Clancey two years ago, ha!). But--motor runs on when dash switch
turned off. Can (most times but not all) shut off wiper by turning
ign. to off, then back on. I swear this motor also is shifting
speeds like a two-speed, never did that before, always thought it
WAS a single speed. So, does existing motor have something fixable
like dirty contacts? Internal circuitry for wiper operation makes
what's left of my mind hurt. But, I'd go in there and take a look
if I knew there was something I could do. If all goes to pieces, no
way to fix, what parts are needed to get to a 12V? Would be a
dream if 12v would fit older wiper arms/pivots/mountings/etc.

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Re: Windsheild Wiper internal elect. ???

I had a similar problem this weekend when I took out my speedometer
and left all the wires hanging loose (went away when I reinstalled
it properly), my guess is that you have shorted/grounded one of the
wires in there....

BRAD wrote:
>
> I have 62 sedan, all 12V now, wiper motor/dash switch still 6V, with
> aftermarket reostat. Dash switch verified still good (thanks to
> Clancey two years ago, ha!). But--motor runs on when dash switch
> turned off. Can (most times but not all) shut off wiper by turning
> ign. to off, then back on. I swear this motor also is shifting
> speeds like a two-speed, never did that before, always thought it
> WAS a single speed. So, does existing motor have something fixable
> like dirty contacts? Internal circuitry for wiper operation makes
> what's left of my mind hurt. But, I'd go in there and take a look
> if I knew there was something I could do. If all goes to pieces, no
> way to fix, what parts are needed to get to a 12V? Would be a
> dream if 12v would fit older wiper arms/pivots/mountings/etc.
>

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Re: Windsheild Wiper internal elect. ???

BRAD wrote:
>
> I have 62 sedan, all 12V now, wiper motor/dash switch still 6V, with
> aftermarket reostat. Dash switch verified still good (thanks to
> Clancey two years ago, ha!). But--motor runs on when dash switch
> turned off. Can (most times but not all) shut off wiper by turning
> ign. to off, then back on. I swear this motor also is shifting
> speeds like a two-speed, never did that before, always thought it
> WAS a single speed. So, does existing motor have something fixable
> like dirty contacts? Internal circuitry for wiper operation makes
> what's left of my mind hurt. But, I'd go in there and take a look
> if I knew there was something I could do. If all goes to pieces, no
> way to fix, what parts are needed to get to a 12V? Would be a
> dream if 12v would fit older wiper arms/pivots/mountings/etc.
>
@@ The problem is the wipers are still going too fast. There is a
second power lead at the wiper motor that gives power when the
switch is shut off until a set of contact points open in the park
position. The points are probably pitted from the higher voltage
plus the higher voltage has loosened up the whole works so when you
shut it off it will bounce right past the points open and they close
again. You can disconnect the extra wire at the motor and they will
then shut off wherever they are shut off.
Wolfsburg west makes a nice 12 wiper armature to fit inside your
motor that should end your problems. These like the old 6v are still
single speed. You can adapt a complete later two speed wiper motor
and switch from a 67 - 69 but you'll need to drill a few holes on
the wiper motor holder and press the crank off the motor and turn it
180'.

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Re: Windsheild Wiper internal elect. ???

BrianC wrote:
>
> I had a similar problem this weekend when I took out my speedometer
> and left all the wires hanging loose (went away when I reinstalled
> it properly), my guess is that you have shorted/grounded one of the
> wires in there....
>
> BRAD wrote:
>>
>> I have 62 sedan, all 12V now, wiper motor/dash switch still 6V, with
>> aftermarket reostat. Dash switch verified still good (thanks to
>> Clancey two years ago, ha!). But--motor runs on when dash switch
>> turned off. Can (most times but not all) shut off wiper by turning
>> ign. to off, then back on. I swear this motor also is shifting
>> speeds like a two-speed, never did that before, always thought it
>> WAS a single speed. So, does existing motor have something fixable
>> like dirty contacts? Internal circuitry for wiper operation makes
>> what's left of my mind hurt. But, I'd go in there and take a look
>> if I knew there was something I could do. If all goes to pieces, no
>> way to fix, what parts are needed to get to a 12V? Would be a
>> dream if 12v would fit older wiper arms/pivots/mountings/etc.
>>
>
>

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Re: Windsheild Wiper internal elect. ???

Darby wrote:
>
> BRAD wrote:
>>
>> I have 62 sedan, all 12V now, wiper motor/dash switch still 6V, with
>> aftermarket reostat. Dash switch verified still good (thanks to
>> Clancey two years ago, ha!). But--motor runs on when dash switch
>> turned off. Can (most times but not all) shut off wiper by turning
>> ign. to off, then back on. I swear this motor also is shifting
>> speeds like a two-speed, never did that before, always thought it
>> WAS a single speed. So, does existing motor have something fixable
>> like dirty contacts? Internal circuitry for wiper operation makes
>> what's left of my mind hurt. But, I'd go in there and take a look
>> if I knew there was something I could do. If all goes to pieces, no
>> way to fix, what parts are needed to get to a 12V? Would be a
>> dream if 12v would fit older wiper arms/pivots/mountings/etc.
>>
> @@ The problem is the wipers are still going too fast. There is a
> second power lead at the wiper motor that gives power when the
> switch is shut off until a set of contact points open in the park
> position. The points are probably pitted from the higher voltage
> plus the higher voltage has loosened up the whole works so when you
> shut it off it will bounce right past the points open and they close
> again. You can disconnect the extra wire at the motor and they will
> then shut off wherever they are shut off.
> Wolfsburg west makes a nice 12 wiper armature to fit inside your
> motor that should end your problems. These like the old 6v are still
> single speed. You can adapt a complete later two speed wiper motor
> and switch from a 67 - 69 but you'll need to drill a few holes on
> the wiper motor holder and press the crank off the motor and turn it
> 180'.
>
thanks! i don't think of the wiper speed as too fast, did set it
faster a tiny bit than 6V. worked fine for a couple months typical
use. what you say about loosening up makes a lot of sense--symptom
of going in and out of 2nd speed adds merit. i like the "bounce
past" wording--great!--i could see that instantly, and all without
turning a wrench!! thanks!

how would a new armature cure a switch problem??

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Re: Windsheild Wiper internal elect. ???

brad wrote:
>
> Darby wrote:
>>
>> BRAD wrote:
>>>
>>> I have 62 sedan, all 12V now, wiper motor/dash switch still 6V, with
>>> aftermarket reostat. Dash switch verified still good (thanks to
>>> Clancey two years ago, ha!). But--motor runs on when dash switch
>>> turned off. Can (most times but not all) shut off wiper by turning
>>> ign. to off, then back on. I swear this motor also is shifting
>>> speeds like a two-speed, never did that before, always thought it
>>> WAS a single speed. So, does existing motor have something fixable
>>> like dirty contacts? Internal circuitry for wiper operation makes
>>> what's left of my mind hurt. But, I'd go in there and take a look
>>> if I knew there was something I could do. If all goes to pieces, no
>>> way to fix, what parts are needed to get to a 12V? Would be a
>>> dream if 12v would fit older wiper arms/pivots/mountings/etc.
>>>
>> @@ The problem is the wipers are still going too fast. There is a
>> second power lead at the wiper motor that gives power when the
>> switch is shut off until a set of contact points open in the park
>> position. The points are probably pitted from the higher voltage
>> plus the higher voltage has loosened up the whole works so when you
>> shut it off it will bounce right past the points open and they close
>> again. You can disconnect the extra wire at the motor and they will
>> then shut off wherever they are shut off.
>> Wolfsburg west makes a nice 12 wiper armature to fit inside your
>> motor that should end your problems. These like the old 6v are still
>> single speed. You can adapt a complete later two speed wiper motor
>> and switch from a 67 - 69 but you'll need to drill a few holes on
>> the wiper motor holder and press the crank off the motor and turn it
>> 180'.
>>
> thanks! i don't think of the wiper speed as too fast, did set it
> faster a tiny bit than 6V. worked fine for a couple months typical
> use. what you say about loosening up makes a lot of sense--symptom
> of going in and out of 2nd speed adds merit. i like the "bounce
> past" wording--great!--i could see that instantly, and all without
> turning a wrench!! thanks!
>
> how would a new armature cure a switch problem??
>
@@ By switch problem I assume you mean the contact points on the
parking device. Yes it *should* provided the linkages still have a
little resistance left in them and are not beat to death.
Years ago a company called V-Mar made a fantastic wiper switch with a
rheostat internal plus the auto park circuit. I used on on my 12v 64
convertible. You lost the windshield washer function within the
switch but the thing was awesome. I tracked them down a few years
ago ( in California ) and they said there was never a big market for
them so they stopped producing them. I think there would be a great
market and would go as far as to set up production
myself.....however I sold the car 5+ years ago with the unit in
place....

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Re: Windsheild Wiper internal elect. ???

Darby wrote:
>
> brad wrote:
>>
>> Darby wrote:
>>>
>>> BRAD wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have 62 sedan, all 12V now, wiper motor/dash switch still 6V, with
>>>> aftermarket reostat. Dash switch verified still good (thanks to
>>>> Clancey two years ago, ha!). But--motor runs on when dash switch
>>>> turned off. Can (most times but not all) shut off wiper by turning
>>>> ign. to off, then back on. I swear this motor also is shifting
>>>> speeds like a two-speed, never did that before, always thought it
>>>> WAS a single speed. So, does existing motor have something fixable
>>>> like dirty contacts? Internal circuitry for wiper operation makes
>>>> what's left of my mind hurt. But, I'd go in there and take a look
>>>> if I knew there was something I could do. If all goes to pieces, no
>>>> way to fix, what parts are needed to get to a 12V? Would be a
>>>> dream if 12v would fit older wiper arms/pivots/mountings/etc.
>>>>
>>> @@ The problem is the wipers are still going too fast. There is a
>>> second power lead at the wiper motor that gives power when the
>>> switch is shut off until a set of contact points open in the park
>>> position. The points are probably pitted from the higher voltage
>>> plus the higher voltage has loosened up the whole works so when you
>>> shut it off it will bounce right past the points open and they close
>>> again. You can disconnect the extra wire at the motor and they will
>>> then shut off wherever they are shut off.
>>> Wolfsburg west makes a nice 12 wiper armature to fit inside your
>>> motor that should end your problems. These like the old 6v are still
>>> single speed. You can adapt a complete later two speed wiper motor
>>> and switch from a 67 - 69 but you'll need to drill a few holes on
>>> the wiper motor holder and press the crank off the motor and turn it
>>> 180'.
>>>
>> thanks! i don't think of the wiper speed as too fast, did set it
>> faster a tiny bit than 6V. worked fine for a couple months typical
>> use. what you say about loosening up makes a lot of sense--symptom
>> of going in and out of 2nd speed adds merit. i like the "bounce
>> past" wording--great!--i could see that instantly, and all without
>> turning a wrench!! thanks!
>>
>> how would a new armature cure a switch problem??
>>
> @@ By switch problem I assume you mean the contact points on the
> parking device. Yes it *should* provided the linkages still have a
> little resistance left in them and are not beat to death.
> Years ago a company called V-Mar made a fantastic wiper switch with
a
> rheostat internal plus the auto park circuit. I used on on my 12v 64
> convertible. You lost the windshield washer function within the
> switch but the thing was awesome. I tracked them down a few years
> ago ( in California ) and they said there was never a big market for
> them so they stopped producing them. I think there would be a great
> market and would go as far as to set up production
> myself.....however I sold the car 5+ years ago with the unit in
> place....
>
>
yeah, the parking switch contacts. that does sound like a neat
alternative switch you had. i have a micro switch on stock dash
switch for washer function, little L-bracket, radio shack switch,
grind old valve rivets off dash switch, use #6 screws to hold micro
switch, uses stock button plunger to activate.