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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Patty B. wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think I can safely say nic that we all LOVE this stuff so keep posting everything!!!<br />And don&#039;t forget to open your garage door when running the engine!!<br />Looks like a perty engine too!</p></blockquote></div><p>+1</p><p>Longwinded posts and abundant pics of projects like this are never out of place around here, and only add to the reasons why people would want to come back.</p><p>Heck, once I have more time to dedicate to my VW passion, I&#039;ll probably start making similar posts.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Der Bugmeister]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/5/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-21T00:35:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Engine Startup Rig Wiring Questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think I can safely say nic that we all LOVE this stuff so keep posting everything!!!<br />And don&#039;t forget to open your garage door when running the engine!!<br />Looks like a perty engine too!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Patty B.]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/1030/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-20T22:42:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Engine Startup Rig Wiring Questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So I set up the rig (minus the charging circuit, since I don&#039;t have a voltage regulator yet) and did a quick oil pressure test.&nbsp; </p><p>First time around, nothing seemed to be working right.&nbsp; I had a brain fart and was confused as to why I could engage the starter without the ignition being on, but I specifically wired it like that but the reason escapes me.&nbsp; Doh!&nbsp; I think it was because I wanted to be able to do an oil pressure run and I wasn&#039;t going to need any ignition for that, but I forgot that the oil pressure light wouldn&#039;t work unless the ignition was on, so.... it was a dumb idea.</p><p>For safety reasons, I probably should rewire it (and adjust my diagram accordingly) so that the ignition switch also controls power to the starter circuit.</p><p>After that, I discovered that my oil pressure light wasn&#039;t coming on.&nbsp; I did a few continuity tests and both the oil pressure and alternator warning lights were working ok and the case was successfully grounded back to the battery.&nbsp; Thankfully I&#039;m not using my 1776cc, so I pulled the oil pressure switch out of it to see if that was the problem.&nbsp; That fixed it.&nbsp; A soon as I turned the ignition switch on with the new switch, I started getting a comforting and pulsating oil warning light when I engaged the engine.&nbsp; I&#039;m wondering now if this faulty oil pressure switch might have been what lead to the demise of the donor engine in the first place? A hah!</p><p>I was getting an intermittant Alternator warning light coming up (before I was using the starter at all) but it stopped randomly.&nbsp; Since the B+ terminal isnt connected to the battery and I don&#039;t have a voltage regulator yet, I&#039;m going to wait to start debugging that.&nbsp; It may not be an issue once everything is wired, but we&#039;ll see.</p><p>So far, there doesn&#039;t appear to be any leaks.&nbsp; I cranked it over for about 30 seconds and the oil light started to go out but my battery had pretty much had it, so I packed it in for the day.</p><p>I&#039;m sure you guys are sick of the long-winded posts and endless series of pictures about my experiences, but... I really need to show off and I want constant praise and adoration for very minor victories.&nbsp; This is what happens when your dad never says he&#039;s proud of you - you have to turn to the internet for support.&nbsp; Its a sad sad world haha</p><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/all-wired-up.JPG" alt="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/all-wired-up.JPG" /></span><br />All wired up for oil pressure test.</p><br /><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/oil-pressure.JPG" alt="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/oil-pressure.JPG" /></span><br />Oil Pressure light works!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[thebignic]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/1060/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-20T22:22:39Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>good work. Must be nice to have all this extra time <img src="http://www.volkswebbin.net/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[burrhead]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/2281/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-20T13:41:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Engine Startup Rig Wiring Questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Looking good!</p><p>My first thought was grommets as well, but you might want to take it a step further.&nbsp; I assume the wires are fairly long so you have a bit of mobility with the switch, and that you&#039;ll be bunching them up so they don&#039;t turn into a rat&#039;s nest.</p><p>Why not have them come out through a single (grommeted) hole and run down inside a wirecover until they split out to their various functions?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Der Bugmeister]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/5/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-19T20:05:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Engine Startup Rig Wiring Questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Scott: looking for an apprentice?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.volkswebbin.net/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>Hank: Grommets are a good idea.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[thebignic]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/1060/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-19T18:12:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Engine Startup Rig Wiring Questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>your controller looks good only one suggestion<br />I think the wire coming out of the box should have a grommet to keep them from shorting out when they get cut by the sharp edges.<br />hank</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[hank]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/51/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-19T16:26:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Engine Startup Rig Wiring Questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>no, it&#039;s awesome. i was making a (lame obviously) joke about you not having anything better to do that build a super-duper controller box. i like it, nic. i can see you do careful work.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[germansupply]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/3278/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-19T16:09:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Engine Startup Rig Wiring Questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>What?&nbsp; You don&#039;t like?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[thebignic]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/1060/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-19T15:14:43Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Engine Startup Rig Wiring Questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>thebignic wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/handheld-controller-finished.JPG" alt="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/handheld-controller-finished.JPG" /></span><br />All sealed up - ready for first test run.</p></blockquote></div><p>shut up, man!</p><p>don&#039;t you have some songs to write or something?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[germansupply]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/3278/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-19T15:07:28Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>burrhead: I want to be able to run it indefinitely.&nbsp; For my purposes now, I just want to be able to do a proper 20-25 minute break in as well as set timing and tune carbs.&nbsp; But in the future, who knows?</p><p>I&#039;d prefer to spend a few weekends thinking of wiring diagrams and getting electronics soldered together so that I can run the engine with charging system intact, rather than install the whole thing and find out later that the alternator is shot.&nbsp; </p><p>More importantly though, since I already have a 1776cc engine in the car, I&#039;m not sure I want to downgrade to a 1641.&nbsp; If I decide to sell my latest rebuild, it&#039;d be nice to have it 100% setup and broken in and be able to demo it for a potential buyer. </p><p>So here it is... version 1.</p><br /><p><strong>Prototype controller</strong><br />I started with a larger one but decided that I could make all the components fit into a hand-held controller rather than something I&#039;d have to mount to the starter bracket or something.&nbsp; The sides of the box are actually thin transparent plastic (its not wide open.)</p><p>The lights are standard VDO replacement bulbs (12 Volt, 2 Watt) with red and green lenses on them (radio shack)</p><p>Ignition switch and starter are rated for 6 amps at 120 Volts, so I think they&#039;ll be ok.&nbsp; Wire is 18 gauge which I hope is ok, but we&#039;ll see if anything melts.</p><p>It turns out that I&#039;m still no good at soldering (something I learned in college electronics class) but I got by.&nbsp; I did a quick continuity test on everything and it appears to work.</p><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/handheld-controller.JPG" alt="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/handheld-controller.JPG" /></span><br />Front Panel (Ignition, Starter, Oil Warning Light, Alternator Warning Light)</p><br /><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/handheld-controller-back.JPG" alt="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/handheld-controller-back.JPG" /></span><br />Back Panel (Battery +, Alternator D+, Starter, Coil +, Oil Pressure Switch)</p><br /><br /><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/handheld-controller-finished.JPG" alt="http://www.thebignic.com/vw/rig/handheld-controller-finished.JPG" /></span><br />All sealed up - ready for first test run.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[thebignic]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/1060/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-18T22:13:08Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just an observation for everybody. Do not over analyze everything;)<br /> How long you going to run it on the stand/floor anyway?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[burrhead]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/2281/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-15T13:26:19Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Patty B. wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>could you rest the engine on sand bangs --to damper the vibs--if you&#039;re going to have it on the floor?</p></blockquote></div><p>That would work as long as you didn&#039;t block airflow under the cylinders. I guess carpet would work too... as long as it didn&#039;t get too hot, lol.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Altema]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/9721/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-13T17:10:18Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>could you rest the engine on sand bangs --to damper the vibs--if you&#039;re going to have it on the floor?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Patty B.]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/1030/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-13T17:06:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m with Burr; make a test stand. The vibrations of a running engine sitting on concrete would make me uncomfortable with a split case design.</p><p>Also, is the primary starter supply lead in VW&#039;s connected through the switch? Most other vehicles have the positive battery lead connected directly to the starter, a momentary switched positive connection to the solenoid, and then the power is applied to the starter motor when the solenoid contacts close.</p><p>Paul</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Altema]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.volkswebbin.net/user/9721/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-13T16:48:00Z</updated>
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